January 3, 2014

The economics of the Gulen cult's American charter schools

Why does the Gulenist cult of Turkey want to be the largest operator of taxpayer supported charter schools in America? What's in it for them?

One reason is because it allows the cult to build up a caste of Gulenist businesses at taxpayer expense by doing business largely with other Turkish Gulenist immigrants. They appear to be skimming somewhat, but not too much that they get in trouble. Instead they are playing a long game to use American taxpayer money as seed capital to build up Gulenist economic power in America. 

Think of it this way: banks are one of the big gatekeepers to deciding who grows and who fails in run of the mill businesses like construction and food service. Banks like to give loans to companies that have sizable government contracts, such as from schools, because the government's checks are less likely to bounce nor will the government suddenly vanish. So, firms that have cozy relationships with public schools can get loans to grow bigger.

A 2011 NYT article on the big Harmony chain of Gulenist charter schools in Texas more or less explained the strategy:
Other companies scrambling for work in a poor economy wondered: How had they qualified for such big jobs so fast?
The secret lay in the meteoric rise and financial clout of the Cosmos Foundation, a charter school operator founded a decade ago by a group of professors and businessmen from Turkey. Operating under the name Harmony Schools, Cosmos has moved quickly to become the largest charter school operator in Texas, with 33 schools receiving more than $100 million a year in taxpayer funds.
While educating schoolchildren across Texas, the group has also nurtured a close-knit network of businesses and organizations run by Turkish immigrants. The businesses include not just big contractors like TDM but also a growing assemblage of smaller vendors selling school lunches, uniforms, after-school programs, Web design, teacher training and even special education assessments.
Some of the schools’ operators and founders, and many of their suppliers, are followers of Fethullah Gulen, a charismatic Turkish preacher of a moderate brand of Islam whose devotees have built a worldwide religious, social and nationalistic movement in his name. Gulen followers have been involved in starting similar schools around the country — there are about 120 in all, mostly in urban centers in 25 states, one of the largest collections of charter schools in America. 
The growth of these “Turkish schools,” as they are often called, has come with a measure of backlash, not all of it untainted by xenophobia. 

Judging from the readers' comments, Brain Freeze set in for a lot of NYT readers at that point.
The schools, Dr. Tarim said, follow all competitive bidding rules, and do not play favorites in awarding contracts. In many cases, Turkish-owned companies have in fact been the low bidders. 
Even so, records show that virtually all recent construction and renovation work has been done by Turkish-owned contractors. Several established local companies said they had lost out even after bidding several hundred thousand dollars lower.... 
In response to questions, Harmony provided a list showing that local American contractors had been awarded 13 construction and renovation jobs over the years. But a review of contracts since January 2009 — 35 contracts and $82 million worth of work — found that all but 3 jobs totaling about $1.5 million went to Turkish-owned businesses. 
TDM, builder of the new San Antonio school, is one of several companies that stand out — for the size of their contracts, their seemingly overnight success or both. One of TDM’s owners, records and interviews show, is Kemal Oksuz, president of the Turquoise Council for Americans and Eurasians, an umbrella group over several foundations established by Gulen followers. Since TDM was formed in November 2009, its work has involved only Harmony Schools and a job at the Turquoise Council headquarters, according to a company accountant.
Another TDM principal is a civil engineer, Osman Ozguc. 
“Please don’t think that I’m a new guy, inexperienced in this area,” Mr. Ozguc said when asked about the San Antonio project, explaining that he had 26 years of construction experience, mostly on large projects in Turkey. “I provided all the requirements asked in the bid. And when we got the job, we delivered in a very short time period, and with a very economical result.” He did acknowledge that change orders had added about $1 million to the cost. 
Mr. Ozguc said he formed TDM after a split from Solidarity, another Houston company that has done major ground-up construction jobs for Harmony in the past two years. Records show that Solidarity is run by Levent Ulusal, a civil engineer with a prior connection to Harmony: he was a school business manager until March 2009, when he joined Solidarity. 
Since Texas charter schools do not get separate public money for facilities, Harmony’s construction program is financed by bonds that will be paid off over time using regular public payments to the schools, bond documents show. The group has issued more than $200 million in bonds since 2007, making it the state’s largest charter school bond issuer.

And about 98% of that $200 million in bonds appears to have gone to Gulenist cult businesses, plus a very large fraction of the $100 million or so in annual operating costs. And that's just one state!
With public money in play, Texas law requires charter schools to award contracts to the bidder that offers the “best value.” Lowest is not necessarily best, with the schools given leeway. But the criteria for choosing the best bidder must be clear. 
Last year, local contractors questioned the fairness of bidding on two Harmony renovation jobs in the Austin area. On one job, in the suburb of Pflugerville, the low bidder, at $1.17 million, was a well-known Texas company, Harvey-Cleary. The job went to Atlas Texas Construction and Trading, even though its bid was several hundred thousand dollars higher. Atlas, with offices in Texas and Turkey, shows up on a list of Gulen-affiliated companies in a 2006 cable from the American Consul General in Istanbul, Deborah K. Jones, that was released by WikiLeaks. 
A vice president of Harvey-Cleary said Harmony never explained its decision.
The same day Atlas won the Pflugerville contract, it got a job at another Austin-area Harmony school, even though four bidders came in lower. 
Harmony Schools asked two architects to analyze the disputed Austin jobs. Both architects had previously worked for Harmony Schools; both concluded that the jobs should have been awarded to Atlas. 
Atlas has an eclectic business portfolio: for several years, it has also supplied breakfast and lunch at many Harmony schools. The contract is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. 
Two other bidders submitted formal catering proposals. One was Preferred Meal Systems, a national company that undercut Atlas’s price by 78 cents a day, a substantial margin given that the two meals are often supplied for about $4.

So, they are cheating some. But not so much that the buildings fall down. But the point is not just the difference between low bid and what the Turkish firms bid, it's that they get these government contracts at all, which can allow them to grow more via bank loans and buy more from other cult members using our money. Then the firms can et H-1B visas to bring in more cultists.

Taxpayer supported education is essentially a zero sum game fought out among those who wish to be compensated for supplying it. A Turkish takeover of taxpayer schools means less for Americans, both first order (salaries) and, especially, second order (contracting).

There are a lot of analogs to this within the U.S. For example, you probably don't want to be a local businessman in Utah who isn't a Mormon, because Mormon businessmen like to deal with other Mormon businessmen. Still, Mormons are Americans, and these Turkish cultists aren't. 

I've never heard of anybody who isn't Turkish or a Turkic-language speaker from a Central Asian country like Turkmenistan belonging to the cult: Turkic-ethnocentrism is a major component of the Gulen movement.

In general, immigrants tend to develop these you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back business networks that freeze out Americans. Of course, part of the best defense is a good offense strategy is to complain loudly about discrimination and xenophobia on the part of Americans. It seems very strange for Americans to subsidize this anti-American economic behavior with our taxes.

If you read the comments in the New York Times, you can see why America is such a big fat target for random cults and mafias from around the world: the most common reaction is that the real problem is the racist Christianist Texans. Another popular position is: Sounds better than the normal public schools ruined by unions. (Texas doesn't actually have real teachers unions with collective bargaining rights.)

It's Ibn Khaldun 101. The 13th Century North African sociologist developed a model for cycles of ethnic succession in which the highly solidaristic winner tribes who come out of the desert and conquer the fat lands morally degenerate as they enjoy their conquests, and after a few generations devote all their animus to backstabbing each other, never noticing the hungry eyes watching them from the fringes. 

Of course, the difference is that we invite them in and give them hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

Looks like they learned a trick or two from the 'Scots-Irish' there.

Problem with Citizenism is that only European-Americans will play by the Citizenism rules, hope you have a 'Plan B' Steve.

Gordo

Anonymous said...

The Byzantines paid off the vibrants and hired them for 'jobs Romans won't do' like Varangian guardsman and attacking Bulgaria or other neighbors.

They didn't see the vibrants as any real competition. They were busy rebelling and hiring mercenaries while losing at Manzikert. But hey, nobody can say the people who live in the former Roman empire aren't good Greek citizens. Nothing changed.

TWS

peterike said...

Chinese historians of the future Chinese Colony Formerly Known as America will write wonderingly of how America let in every form of human parasite on earth at the expense of their own citizens, leading to their collapse and takeover by nationalistic Chinese.

Chinese children will be told frightening fairy tales of how inviting in the stranger -- in the form of a storybook wolf -- gets you eaten alive. It's Little Red Riding Hood in reverse.

"What great big teeth you have!"

"The better to eat you with, America."

"Oh well then, please come right in."

Education Realist said...

I've written about charter schools being just another way for one particular group to game the system and bootstrap what they need with public dollars. It freaks me out that this isn't getting more coverage, but it's bumping into two different reform groups--reform right and neo-left--both of whom are pro-charters.

Steve Sailer said...

It's like back in the 1990s when Bill Ayers got $100 million from the Annenbergs and made Barack Obama chairman. It didn't do anything for Chicago school children but it did a lot for the Obama brand name among left of center activists in Chicago whom the Obamas picked out for jobs and grants.

Reg Cæsar said...

…Bill Ayers…made Barack Obama chairman…

I was able to trace Bill's Ayers line back about two centuries to a county in New Jersey just south of Woodbridge. That's the village the reprobate Jonathan Dunham ran off to when Massachusetts Bay got sick of him. One of the large founding families there was named Ayers.

Obama has no Ayers ancestry and we've still to connect Bill's to Woodbridge, but it's quite plausible Bill and Barry share Dunham or other colonial New Jersey blood. So this deal has the aroma of the Middle East about it.

Another fun factoid: living with Bill and Bernardine when Barry announced for the state senate was one Chesa Boudin, whose radical parents were in prison for an armed robbery and shootout. So the first black president's career begins in the home of a kid whose folks abetted the murder of a humble black cop. How fitting.

countenance said...

Sailer writes:

If you read the comments in the New York Times, you can see why America is such a big fat target for random cults and mafias from around the world

I respond:

Ironic, huh? "Random cults" around the world are using America as nothing more than a business opportunity because too many (real) Americans have prostrated their minds to egalitarian ideological cults.

Anonymous said...

One of your sentences was cut-off: "Taxpayer supported education is essentially a zero sum game fought out among those who _____"

fnn said...

It's like back in the 1990s when Bill Ayers got $100 million from the Annenbergs and made Barack Obama chairman.

Sources of the Annenberg family fortune and how they became "Republicans." Hint: Al Capone was a "Republican." The GOP machine Capone founded ran Cicero, IL from the 1920s until about 10 years ago.

Anonymous said...

Mix a Greek with a gypsy with a Jew with an Arab, and you have a Turk.

Anonymous said...

"Problem with Citizenism is that only European-Americans will play by the Citizenism rules, hope you have a 'Plan B' Steve."

Not so. If ALL European-Americans came together for citizenism, they would gain the power and could IMPOSE it on others.
But half of European-Americans are Liberals. White community is divided. And even lots of conservatives are libertarian-addled fools.
Rand Paul is for amnesty now, and no conservative got the guts to even stand up for true marriage.

Just think Sheldon Adelson talks about nuking Iran and still gets to rake in billions and pass it around to whore politicians.
But a Christian-owned bakery must close down because it won't bake a cake for 'gay marriage'.

Anonymous said...

Gulen schoolin'

Anonymous said...

"the racist Christianist Texans."

IMO There is no question that one reason this is happening in the South is basically Southern Baptists are irrational about Muslims.

"Sounds better than the normal public schools ruined by unions. (Texas doesn't actually have real teachers unions with collective bargaining rights.)"

The unions code into law various work rules and consumer regulations that force parents to consume a certain amount (days per year, hours per day) of education, taught in a certain way (with a union teacher). Once quality and quantity can be fixed, price can be fixed. After that the union stuff is mostly for show.

As to the Gulen system, why is it a scam if they provide a better service at the same price as other competitors? Don't like the Turkish Islam New Age whatever it is, don't send your kid? I am not seeing horror stories from disatisfied parents, why?

You want the Gulen people to disappear, eliminate the charter school system.

To many people the public school system is a cult:

The Messianic Character of American Education
by Rousas John Rushdoony

Read John Taylor Gatto to learn about the roots of the Anglo American school system in Hinduism.

Californian and unreconstructed Southerner, Zachariah Montgomery wrote endlessly about the new Yankee public school system. He was there to see the before and after of it all.

Anonymous said...

"If you read the comments in the New York Times, you can see why America is such a big fat target for random cults and mafias from around the world."

It's been that way from the beginning. Puritans/Pilgrims came here cuz they were seen as a funny cult back home. And religious freedom led to all sorts of funny denominations, especially the Mormons. And there were Hare Krishna in the 60s and Moonies in the 70s. There's Scientology. Worst was Jim Jones cult.
David Koresh cult was crushed.
Didn't Heinlein or Clarke suggest to Hubbard that he should start a religion?
MLK is also a cult. Oprah is a cult. Gates wanna be a cult too, and he put a lot of money in education. Steve Jobs cult still lives.

Maybe Sailer ought to turn himself into a cult.
Saileristics will be the mystical study of the wisdom of Prophet Sorcerer Sailer.

The myth would go like this. Sailer was an abandoned baby in the woods, and his parents found him. No one knows where he really came from. He could be a space alien, the child of wolves, a vampire, a robot man, and etc.
So, we begin with the mysterious origins... like with Superman from the weird planet of Krypton that no longer exists.

Then one day, Sailer went camping and was struck by the truth in the form of a light that shone upon him from the clouds.

And then it finally dawned on him. One by one, the truths came to him, the first one being, 'blacks like to let the good times roll'.
And then, the rest followed. And of late, Sailer has discovered that Gulen is actually like the devil in The Exorcist, and we must all unite to fend our nation from such evil.

Anonymous said...

Free-lunch-masons creating a school of neo-Janissaries.

Gubbler of the Society of Reformed Chechenistics said...

During the Ottoman era, the Turkish rulers depended on Greek,Armenian, and Jewish talent to do much of the business and brainy stuff. Turks controlled the military and government. (Hungarians were like that too, depending much on Jews to handle much else).
And when Turkey needed to modernize, they hired Europeans to do much of the modernizing.

So, Turks have a long history of depending on non-Turks to get things done.

Anonymous said...

"In general, immigrants tend to develop these you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back business networks that freeze out Americans."

I don't see that as a problem as long as the immigrant group isn't big and powerful.
In the case of Gulen, it matters cuz he's taking tax payer money.

But if it's small private enterprise, who cares is Greek town restaurants hire Greeks and Polish towns hire Poles to cut the sausage? Such ethnic cohesion is what makes America interesting.

Reg Cæsar said...

…of the Turquoise Council for Americans and Eurasians…

Show me the Chartreuse Council for Americans and Crusaders, and I'll sign right up.

Anonymous said...

"And about 98% of that $200 million in bonds appears to have gone to Gulenist cult businesses, plus a very large fraction of the $100 million or so in annual operating costs. And that's just one state!
With public money in play, Texas law requires charter schools to award contracts to the bidder that offers the “best value.” Lowest is not necessarily best, with the schools given leeway. But the criteria for choosing the best bidder must be clear.
Last year, local contractors questioned the fairness of bidding on two Harmony renovation jobs in the Austin area. On one job, in the suburb of Pflugerville, the low bidder, at $1.17 million, was a well-known Texas company, Harvey-Cleary. The job went to Atlas Texas Construction and Trading, even though its bid was several hundred thousand dollars higher. Atlas, with offices in Texas and Turkey, shows up on a list of Gulen-affiliated companies in a 2006 cable from the American Consul General in Istanbul, Deborah K. Jones, that was released by WikiLeaks.
A vice president of Harvey-Cleary said Harmony never explained its decision.
The same day Atlas won the Pflugerville contract, it got a job at another Austin-area Harmony school, even though four bidders came in lower."


These contracts are really subsidies to incompetent "contractors/businesses". These "contractors" would not be able to survive in a real low bid environment or an objective "best value" environment if it wasn't for corrupt ethnic nepotism.

I would assume that the non-turkish bidders are bidding lower due to a combination of cheap mexican immigrant labor and budgeting their bids competitively.

In NJ, all school construction work is done by union members, you can't build, renovate, repair, let alone step into a school building if you are not a union member. This does a few things, almost no immigrant or illegal labor, along with these contractors and their workers being predominantly white. Downside is the excessive prevailing wages but, at least its money that stays in the white communities.

It would be interesting to see what would happen in texas if these contracts were forced to use union labor and prevailing wages. The contracts would bloat so high that any excess surplus that the current turks are making would disappear and be transferred to union member wages, as the bids would all be forced to reach a minimum reserve for prevailing wages. Ultimately the prices would be so high that a majority of the grant from the state would be spent on wages instead of being skimmed by the turks through ethnic nepotism.

To a certain degree the grant is a sunk cost. How do you split it up. Potentially white construction union members taking a good portion of the grant or turks using ethnic nepotism to transfer excess surplus from texans to themselves.

P.S. Also the NYT commenters may not be that stupid, they have been able to identify that many of the comments are actually false comments posted by the gulenist to dilute and divert attention. Another technique learned from the israelis who use young people to post pro-israel comments in internet debates. Heck, the online gulenists commentators are even identifying themselves as "hispanic-americans", hahahaha.





Anonymous said...

I wonder what consulting contracts the winning bidders pay to whom.

It's not even plausible that Gulenists would be sophisticated enough to exploit such a market without uncle Ruslan style help.

Anonymous said...

You aint Gulen!

Anonymous said...

Only God Forgives. A trash zen or pulp zen movie. Refn looks like a turtle without a shell. His movies are all hard shell and no heart. Maybe it's compensation.

Anonymous said...

In general, immigrants tend to develop these you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back business networks that freeze out Americans.

Yes, I'm finding this happening more frequently in other venues, e.g. professional organizations. Immigrants use "democracy" to take control of committees and freeze out others outside their particular ethnic group.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I'm finding this happening more frequently in other venues, e.g. professional organizations. Immigrants use "democracy" to take control of committees and freeze out others outside their particular ethnic group.

Kinda like Irish police and fire departments? Or something else?

Anonymous said...

How to turn every kid into a chess grand master. Give him a $1000 chess set made of ivory and gold.

If you learn to play with those cheapie plastic sets from Kmart, you won't get very far.

Ipads and fancy chess sets for everyone.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/12-year-old-brooklyn-chess-champ-eyes-bold-move-youngest-grandmaster-article-1.127263

SFG said...

"It is a common saying and likely has some basis in fact - that it takes the wit of four Turks to overreach one Frank; two Franks to cheat one Greek; two Greeks to cheat one Jew; and six Jews to cheat one Armenian."

I imagine you guys would put the Jews at the top, but I think we're slipping.

Amusingly, the Armenians were one of the few *other* groups to get, ah, genocided...

Reg Cæsar said...

Refn looks like a turtle without a shell.

Steve said the same about Maggie Gyllenhaal. Don't know who "Refn" is, but the two Turts should get together-- she has the spare vowel he desperately needs.

In NJ, all school construction work is done by union members, you can't build, renovate, repair, let alone step into a school building if you are not a union member.

I'd like to find out which NJ school union "represented" poor Viki Knox. No, she wasn't white, but she was right, and she was railroaded out of a job by her (mostly white?) school board.

In the news stories I read, there was no mention of her union, let alone any evidence they lifted a finger to help save her career.

Anonymous said...

The Gulenists should come to California. They could do a much better job than the LAUSD or the Oakland school district. Regardless of their nationality, at least they keep an orderly house and don't tolerate violence. Better their cult than the PC cult.

Auntie Analogue said...


Nikita Kruschev's prophecy that "We will bury you!" was premature. Only now are we seeing how our Dear Rulers gratify their globalist campaign donors by selling to ill-intentioned foreigners what remains of what used to be our country.

Anonymous said...

What about the Moonies? They're still around and their membership is pretty diverse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYE0ULaR768

Anonymous said...

"Nikita Kruschev's prophecy that "We will bury you!" was premature."

Now the West says 'we will bugger you.'

Anonymous said...

"It is a common saying and likely has some basis in fact - that it takes the wit of four Turks to overreach one Frank; two Franks to cheat one Greek; two Greeks to cheat one Jew; and six Jews to cheat one Armenian."

One of the funniest things I heard was some time after a Greek friend recommended a Greek lawyer to a Jewish friend. The latter looked at the legal bill and gasped 'Greeks are worse than the Jews.'

Anonymous said...

>> charter schools being just another way for one particular group to game the system and bootstrap what they need with public dollars.

And what exactly is wrong with this game?

Does it "freak you out" that tax money is spent to fund Coooperative Extension Agents to teach upper-middle-class matrons, how grow more beautiful gardens?

What exactly is the difference?

Anonymous said...

>> Another technique learned from the israelis who use young people to post pro-israel comments in internet debates


oh, us horrible israelis. Getting our own ethnical kids to pay more attention to our group future than to whether Miley Cyrus is gonna flunk out of re-hab before Justin Beiber does.

Oh, the humanity of it!

thirdtwin said...

We got rid of a Gulen Charter HS two years ago. Steve just scratched the surface. Do not let your city deal with these people, or issue bonds for their enterprises.

http://gulencharterschools.weebly.com/

They will co-opt your local media and swarm comment sections. I would not be surprised if some of them show up here.

Anonymous said...

Before Gulenist threat there was the Catholic threat.

The movement focused on the public's fear of immigrants and the need to Americanize; it had anti-Catholic overtones and found support from groups like the Ku Klux Klan.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_public_education_in_the_USA

One thing not often recognized is the 2nd Klan (1915-1944) was a nativist, anti Catholic, feminist, anti war, zionist organization. It held Jews in high regard and as Jim Crow was settled law it showed very little interest in Blacks.

Anonymous said...

I don't get it. You write like this is all some kind of big scam, but it seems to me that this only works if you are actually able to open and operate schools that parents prefer to the regular public schools.

Anonymous said...

To the commenter above claiming "why no parents are complaining about the Gulen operated schools" well they are, and so are the American teachers fired to make way for h1-b Visa uncredentialed Male Turks. The Gulen Movement delibrately targets high minority low social economic neighborhoods for their schools. No offense, most of the parents are not sophisticaed enough to have a critical mind. They see awards, trips and those fancy Turkish Olympiads for their kids. They also love the Turkish cooking classes some of the schools teach, not to mention the fact the schools lie about 100% acceptance to college. Lastly, the Gulen Movement has been under FBI investigations for about 4 years. The FBI RAIDED their school in Louisana on December 11, 2013 and it is linked to the Turquoise Council's Kemal Oksuz, who made one of the largest political contributions $$ to the Repulican National Party of Louisana. The Gulen Movement, hopefully will soon be out of the USA education and politics, there is a big controversy brewing in Illinois with Madigan and the Gulen Concept Schools. http://www.gulenpoliticians.blogspt.com

Anonymous said...

To the commenter that mentioned the "Gulenists should come to California" well they have, they have been denied many schools and in fact just closed their school in Orangevale, CA Pacific Technology School. here is a blog about their California operation. I understand the Armenian Christians are very affluential in California politics, I doubt if the Gulen Movement from what I hear has much of a chance with them or the Greeks. Didn't they have an Armenian Governor of California awhiile back? Governor Dukemajian? http://www.magnoliascienceacademy.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

Sarah Silverman is a young Jewess and she was born into and raised in privilege and she got the red carpet treatment all her life despite her insults toward other groups. And yet, she is no less nasty than Belfort. Jews are like that because they generally have higher intelligence, and this makes them feel superior to dumb goyim. Also, as Jews worked as haggling middlemen and judgmental rabbis for 1000s of yrs, the personality traits that came to be selected among Jews tended to be pushy, aggressive, and contemptuous.

Jews have had the same reputation in North Africa, MIddle East, Europe, and America. Jews were nasty and pushy long before they met up with bluebloods. No matter where they went and settled, they came to be seen by others in the same way. Of course, as Jews control all the media in the US, they've brainwashed us into seeing them as the most wonderful people, and Americans are total philosemites. But no matter how much they are loved and adored by Americans of all stripes, Jewish nastiness continues just the same.

It's damned if you do, damned if you do. If you are hostile toward Jews, Jews resent you for your suspicions. If you loving toward Jews, Jews hold you in contempt as easy suckers to fleece. By the way, if Jews were angry with bluebloods, why did they go out of their way to cheat blacks, ethnic whites, Asians, and Arabs too? Every group remembers being badly fleeced by Jews. How much longer are Jews gonna blame all their nastiness on OTHER people?

Anonymous said...

This 'blueblood' made me do it so lame. After all, there are lots of nasty Jewish gangsters, thugs, and cheaters in Israel where everything is owned and controlled by Jews. There are no bluebloods there to piss Jews off. If anything, Americans go out of their ways to accommodate Jews over there, and AIPAC is the most powerful lobby in America. So, how come so many Israeli Jews act so nasty and obnoxious?
Will Jews ever take responsibility for their bad behavior or will they always spin it as a reaction to wrongs done by others? The film CASINO JACK would have us believe that, as nasty as the Jewish guy was, he was motivated by the fact that white Christian Republicans didn't treat him as an equal. What baloney.

Anonymous said...

"Amusingly, the Armenians were one of the few *other* groups to get, ah, genocided..."

The Armenian genocide was instigated by the donmeh caste - who were also responsible for the large scale displacement of Greeks from Turkey part of the ongoing cleansing of Greeks and Armenians from the near east which has been going on for a 1000 years or so with Arab and Turkish invasions and is now in its last stages with the final cleansing of Christians.

If you look at it it's very easy to see most of the history of the eastern med and a large part of the history of the western med also as side-effects of an ongoing battle between eastern med mercantile groups: Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Syrians, Phoenicians, Egyptians and Persians.

Anonymous said...

"It is a common saying and likely has some basis in fact - that it takes the wit of four Turks to overreach one Frank; two Franks to cheat one Greek; two Greeks to cheat one Jew; and six Jews to cheat one Armenian."

Funny, I googled that saying and another source places Jews at the apex of the immunity to cheating tree. I did also find a source for the Armenian apexed version though.

While perhaps a useful heuristic and a catchy way of ordering things, methinks that in general, throwing more of a lesser cheating ethnicity at the problem will not result in a successful cheating.

Anonymous said...

Before Gulenist threat there was the Catholic threat.

Sounds like you think all threats are non-threats? How do you tell when a real threat appears? Are there such things? What happens if the whole world knows you don't believe in threats?

Anonymous said...

"The Armenian genocide was instigated by the donmeh caste - who were also responsible for the large scale displacement of Greeks from Turkey part of the ongoing cleansing of Greeks and Armenians from the near east which has been going on for a 1000 years or so with Arab and Turkish invasions and is now in its last stages with the final cleansing of Christians."

To be fair to Turks, Armenians sided with Russia, and if Armenian-Russian power bloc wasn't checked, Turkey could have lost a huge chunk of territory.
Also, the violence between Turks and Greeks went both ways. Greeks killed bushels of Turks and vice versa.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2419/was-andrew-jackson-one-of-the-worlds-most-prolific-mass-murderers

"For example, the United States military killed an estimated 300,000 during the subjugation of the Philippines, 1898-1902."

And speaking of 'genocide', American war in the Philippines killed A LOT of people, and Americans didn't even face an 'existential crisis' like Turks did following their defeat in WWI.
And American bombing in some wars killed so many civilians that it was like metrocide if not genocide.

And look what US policy did in Iraq in the 90s. Sanctions may have killed over 100,000 women and children.

So, Turkish actions, though vile and cruel, have to seen in context--just as we do for American actions.

Lew said...

Such dishonesty in these comments. Why so anti-white folks? You people know damn well that if white folks attempted to organize around ethnicity and pursue this approach, those white folks would come under immediate attack by the white liberal and Jewish elites.

But there is an upside to seeing these cliches posted over and over again. Whenever you see anti-whites justifying harm to white folks with cliches like "the Irish did it" or "they said that about the Catholics" as if those things are relevant in 2014, it's proof Steve is saying subversive stuff that is true.

Anonymous said...

We need more Gulen involvement in the schools, not less.

Those who complain about them are just whiny unionized teachers who are threatened by non-PC education.

Their beliefs form no threat to US society. The PC that has infected public education via Frankfurt School influence is a major threat to US society.