January 6, 2014

1,000 cars torched per week in France

From Time:
In announcing the New Year’s Eve tally on Jan. 2, Interior Minister Manuel Valls also revealed that figures provided by fire, police and insurance officials indicate that somewhere between 42,000 and 60,000 automobiles are intentionally torched in France every year. The majority of those go up in smoke in or near the disadvantaged suburban housing projects located outside most French cities. 

About 20% appear to be owners setting fire to their own cars to collect on insurance, which is a pretty plausible scam in a country where youths burn over 100 cars per night.

63 comments:

J said...

There are 30.5 million cars in France. Less than 0.16% are burned each year. It is a statistical insignificance. It could be that many are freakish cases of self-ignition or spontaneous combustion. Ashamed be qui mal-y pense!

Anonymous said...

" “C’est la Zone, c’est la Zone.”

La Zone is a foreign country: they do things differently there."

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_4_the_barbarians.html

Article by Theodore Dalrymple aka Anthony Daniels. One of those infernal Scots-Irish but he has a good handle on what is happening in the housing projects of France.

Gordo

John Mansfield said...

It seems like car fires are more common now than they were in the past. If so, fuel injection could be blame. The twenty-year-old cars of twenty years ago all had carburetors, and old, leaking fuel lines would drip. Now the old cars have 50 psi systems that will spray fuel around if there is a leak under the hood. But I don't know; a bit of guessing on my part.

Anonymous said...

"Burning thy neighbor's car".

An ancient and time honored Gallic winter solstice tradtion, traditionally performed by the 'young up and coming, vibrant youth' of the district as an homage to the great god Phobos - attributed to the Celtic tribes - in celebration of his solar chariot and its inevitable return from the long, dark, dank days of endless night.
Contrary to popular speculation this 'tradition' was certainly NOT 'invented' by the Coca Cola company or any leftist university professors, for that matter, but is authentically ancient Gallic.
- How do I know?, well M. Sarkozy himself told me that historic France owes just as much to the so-called 'New French' as it does to the Gauls, the Romans or the Franks. They've always been present on French soil, don't you know, except you didn't know.

Anonymous said...

50,000 cars burnt per year x 80 years = 4 million cars burnt in the lifetime of a typical Frenchman. 1 Car per 15 inhabitants of France. There are about 2.4 inhabitants per household.

2.4/15 = 16% chance of belong to a household that, at some point in your life, experiences a car arson.

1 of every 6 French will be touched by this. It's not a trivial as you make it out to be.

Only 0.2% of Americans die per year of cancer. Would you call cancer of "statistical insignificance? Maybe we should give up on developing cancer drugs, given how trivial cancer deaths can be.

Anonymous said...

Manuel Valls is 51 years old but after a lot of hair dye and plastic surgery has a Dick Clark, worlds oldest teenager, look to him. So I would tend to dismiss him on those grounds alone.

"42,000 and 60,000 automobiles are intentionally torched in France every year."

But hear in the land of the free the government runs its cash for clunkers scheme and sends the bill to the taxpayer. So actually I like the French way better.

Anonymous said...

Them youth seem to be assimilating into the culture of Detroit than to Paris.

Rappier.

jody said...

the number of people who are murdered per year is also a statistical anomaly compared to the number of people who die in total.

maybe we shouldn't pay attention to the murder rate either. no more gun control campaigns from liberals. since 'only' about 30 americans are killed every day by getting shot by somebody else, and 2.5 million americans die every year, gun violence only accounts for about 0.004% of human deaths in the US, far less than the 0.16% of cars per year which are burned in france.

we won't even get into handgun kills versus rifle kills.

oh yes, it's very true. 2.5 MILLION americans die every year now. and the number is increasing. japan just had it's biggest drop ever in 2013. 244,000 more japanese people died than were born. they're slowly but steadily disappearing from earth. one has to wonder if the number of actual french people is also already decreasing, as the french government does not collect demographic information. the population of france will be going up steadily for a long time, but will the number of real french? or is the population increase mainly among the car torcher demographic?

Just Another Guy With a 1911 said...

France should petition the IOC to make its new national sport an Olympic one. It could be called "l'incendie des voitures".

AIRED: Feb. 14, 2014
NBC OLYMPIC COVERAGE TRANSCRIPT

BOB COSTAS, HOST:OK, everybody, welcome back to NBC's coverage of the 2014 Olympic Games in SOCHI, RUSSIA.

Earlier today, the U.S. burn team Captain Tayshon Sheff-Brown, who won the hearts of middle-america with his light hearted take on "The Roof is on Fire, failed to ignite his burn car: a 2010 Renault Clio III.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TAYSHON SHEFF-BROWN, Captain: Man, them little French cars be hard to burn, you feel me? You feel me?
(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTAS:The U.S. performance was exceptionally disappointing as it was thought it had the chance for a gold after the disqualification of the Chechen team after it blew up its burn car - a 2007 Renault Twingo II - with a pressure cooker bomb while Chechan president Ramzan Kadyrov fired his gold plated Tokarev over the crowd.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BOOOOOMMMM! BANG!! BANG!! BANG!! BANG!
KADYROV, President: Chechnya leads! Guns for everyone!
BANG!!
(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTAS: The US team's poor performance has led Mark Zuckerberg, who is in the stands today, to call for increased immigration from North Africa. When we come back, the French team, led by Abu Jaleel Ibn Rushd from Clichy-sous-Bois, who first got his taste of burning tires and busted glass in 2005 riots when he was just 5 years old!

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTAS: OK, we're back. Right now Jaleel is starting his "burn"

(BEGIN LIVE VIDEO)

COSTAS: He's approaching the 2012 Koleos now - which, as any resident of the banlieue knows is hard to burn. WOW! Look at that, he just broke the windshield with a die cast model of the Eiffel Tower. He is sure to get a few extra points from the French judge for that. He's pouring the accelarant now. He is throwing in a match. YES! BUUURRRNN! IT IS A BURN! THE FRENCH TAKE THE GOLD.

Jaleel is ululating and whirling as his team mates screaming "Allahu Akhbar" run across the Russian snow to congratulate their team captain. This is heartwarming, folks. OK, wait, what's this?? Jaleel has pulled out a . . .machete? Yes, a machete, and is running towards the stand where Mark Zuckerberg is sitting. OH, MY GOD, this is horrible. Cut to Commercial! CUT! Cut to....

(END LIVE VIDEO)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

Anonymous said...

Goddamn Presbyterians...

DW Budd said...

Monsieur Valls - the Interior Minister here in France (we live in Paris, ironically, down the block from the Palais Beauveau where Valls works) was patting himself on the back on the 3rd of January, as the total number of burnt vehicles reported (1067) was an 11% reduction from 2012.

Valls has bigger fish to fry right now - he is in a tooth and claw fight to try to stamp out the erstwhile comedian Dieudonne, who continues to irritate the government with barely-concealed neonazi salutes.

Read Dalrymple's piece. All around Ile-de-France, Marine Le Pen posters are appearing in some of the strangest places...

David said...

Carbeque sounds kind of French.

AMac said...

@J (5:12am) --
"There are 30.5 million cars in France. Less than 0.16% are burned each year. It is a statistical insignificance."

230 million cars in the US; that would mean at least 320,000 intentional torchings a year, to keep pace with France. Seems like an ongoing spectacle that people would notice. Or, work to not notice.

Anonymous said...

France has an unassimilable "vibrant youth" problem as well.

countenance said...

J wrote:

There are 30.5 million cars in France. Less than 0.16% are burned each year. It is a statistical insignificance.

I respond:

If it were 52,000 people being murdered a year in a country of 30.5 million, that would mean a murder rate of 170.5 per 100,000. Which is several times higher than the murderer rate of black Americans.

Anonymous said...

"...which is a pretty plausible scam in a country where youths burn over 100 cars per night."

Youths? I didn't know that this website uses politically correct words to describe the actions of members of certain ethnic groups.

Anonymous said...

I read about this on numerous news articles. WHAT they didn't say was that this is all muslim and Africans doing the torching.

Anonymous said...

Funny how in France the ghettos are in the Suburbs and not in the cities or inner cities. The exact opposite of North America.

Simon said...

"Youths"? I'm sure the perpetrators are generally distinguished from the general French population by factors other than age.

Gringo said...

About 20% appear to be owners setting fire to their own cars to collect on insurance, which is a pretty plausible scam in a country where youths burn over 100 cars per night.

Rumor had it that the owner of a pizzeria in my hometown had his place torched for the insurance. Local factoid: like a lot of the pizzeria owners in the area, he was Greek. Some Italians remained.

JI said...

Ha ha ha, "youths"! You crack me up, Steve.

bang said...

Multiculturalism is just disgusting. I make sure to point out its failures to every person back home just so we don't go down the same path the West has.

Tolerance to this degree is more like a mental illness.

Anonymous said...

NYT article explains that the cost of the burnt cars-- an average of 5K Euros per car--are no big deal.....the total is "just 170 million Euros out of 60 Billion French car insures pay out....."hmmm 60 Bn with 30 million cars approx. in France.......that would be 2K Euros per car per year which is implausible....I suspect that they are including payouts made world wide

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/world/europe/frances-less-joyous-new-years-tradition.html?_r=0

Hepp said...

"There are 30.5 million cars in France. Less than 0.16% are burned each year. It is a statistical insignificance. It could be that many are freakish cases of self-ignition or spontaneous combustion. Ashamed be qui mal-y pens!"

That's quite a lot. If I own a car for ten years, then I have a 1.6% chance of having my car burned. With those numbers, it would be common to know people who have their cars torched. That's not the case.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

multiculturalism on fire; come on bebe light my feu

Anonymous said...

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-to-diversify-board-2014-1?utm

Fruit boy caves in.

Anonymous said...

Wow, LA riots all year round.

Is Paris Burning? Now it is.

countenance said...

OT

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/01/05/dmv-most-fail-test-for-driver-authorization-card/

But remember, here in multiracial America, minorities don't fail tests, tests fail minorities. So the answer isn't to study better, that's old racist bigoted America. In New America, we drag the test into Federal court for disparate impact.

jewamongyou said...

Add this, along with higher insurance premiums, to the costs of "diversity."

Anonymous said...

Vibrant is passe. Now, things are radiant.

Oswald Spengler said...

"Radiant," much like the fires that appear in the banlieues, and set by the shock troops of the "diversity is strength" brigades on a nightly basis.

Anonymous said...

Around 20,000 or so intentional car fires in the USA in recent years. About 8% of the total car fires according to this study.
I assume like most types of fires in North America declining in total each year.



josh said...

Some car owners deliberately burn their cars? Firemen have an expression:"Jewish lightning" to refer to old buildings that mysteriously and conveniently go up. Surely a Mercedes can be sold for a pretty penny?

RonMexico said...

"Just Another Guy With a 1911 said...
France should petition the IOC to make its new national sport an Olympic one. It could be called "l'incendie des voitures"."

thanks for the comedy relief. that would make for a great SNL skit, but they wouldn't have the stones to air it. in your scenario our team would have won gold 20 years ago if it were a Devil's Night comprised team. there is nothing left to burn in Detoilet anymore.

Auntie Analogue said...


In 1963 as Buddhist monks immolated themselves in the streets of South Vietnam, this joke made the rounds in the U.S.:

Q. What burns a gallon of gas but gets zero mileage?

A. A Buddhist monk.

Which means that a hell of a lot of French cars get far worse mileage.

Anonymous said...

Vibrant is passe. Now, things are radiant.

It's the radiant heat that ignites the cars!

Anonymous said...

"There are 30.5 million cars in France. Less than 0.16% are burned each year. It is a statistical insignificance."

If it used to be 0.01% of cars deliberately torched by anti-white gangs and it has been going up steadily for decades then that is statistically incredibly significant.

Anonymous said...

"244,000 more japanese people died than were born. they're slowly but steadily disappearing from earth"

If fertility traits are genetic then as the population drops the frequency of those traits will go up and the Japanese will hit a new equilibrium population.

This is a good thing.

Especially so as modern technology no longer requires the number of workers that were required during the industrial revolution.

If Japan continues their policy they will remain relatively hi-tech and prosperous, and most importantly for them, stay Japanese while the Western countries die from cultural poisoning.

Anonymous said...

"1 of every 6 French will be touched by this."

That's the critical bit. When only a small minority know about a thing - like the gang violence that always spawns when you have diversity in bluecollar areas - then it is easy for the media to keep a lid on the truth but when it gets bad enough a tipping point is reached when word of mouth outweighs the media's lies.

ogunsiron said...

@DW BUDD :
the quenelle is not an inverted nazi salute!

I follow the french stuff and have known about Dieudo and his quenelle for a while. The quenelle is a gesture of defiance to anything that's perceived as representing the system or the authorities. It means "up yours, all the way to the shoulder".

It IS absolutely an anti-system , rather vulgar gesture as Dieudo and friends have been saying all along. It so happens that Dieudo considers organized jewry to be very much part of the system so him and *some* of his fans have been quenelling organized jewry and even jewry in general. Dieudo thinks that jewry in general doesn't respect the goyim world very much so he's very, very much into desacralizing the symbols of jewry, which is why there have been pretty tasteless quenelles performed in front of synagogues and death camps and such.

The french jewish organisations like the LICRA ( Frabce's ADL) have done a *magnificent* propaganda job, I must unfortunately admit.

Are some quenelleurs anti-semitic nazis ? Sure. Some of them are. Most of the quenelleurs, though, are people who feel disaffected and who aren't too fond of israel for anti-imperialist reasons.

It is very impressive to see just how servile the french state and the french media are acting.

Jewish militias are launching puntive expeditions against quenelleurs these days. There are no other militias in France that are even remotely tolerated by the authorities.

French neocons like Pascal Bruckner (not a jew but might as well be one, given the company he keeps and he's a neocon after all) are writing articles in which they claim that the quenelleurs (arabs and blacks), by attacking the jews, are attacking the whole of European civilisation and that White Europeans and jews are united in being targets!
The same Pascal Bruckner publishes the same week an article in which he claims that jews and blacks should be united because both have been and are the target of White European hatred, so blacks should not do the quenelle to their brothers in suffering, the jews!

I so wish that Steve would would take the time to write on this Dieudonné affair.

Anonymous said...

"Funny how in France the ghettos are in the Suburbs and not in the cities or inner cities. The exact opposite of North America."

But not for long as certain US cities are trying to move to the French model.

Anonymous said...

Feu-stivus: how the deracinated youth highlight their grievances or supplement their income. Often followed by Fistivus.

Anonymous said...

The French slums are in the suburban "banlieus" because they enjoy urban living too much to give up their major cities. Compared to Americans, they're also politically more conservative on issues of ethnicity and immigration and not much into racial guilt. I've heard that large swathes of Paris are all-white, but there are more "vibrant" areas too.

Americans would rather live out in the suburbs, so were fine with letting blacks and Puerto Ricans ruin the inner cities.

However, over the last two decades, Americans have gradually begun to appreciate the convenience of urban living. Especially in New York City and Washington DC. It's possible we could see suburbanization and southernization of our black underclass. As Ron Unz has pointed out, immigration seems to be the tool policy makers are wielding to push out urban blacks.

DW Budd said...

@ogunsiron

it (the motivation) for the quenelle is in the eye of the beholder, I would say.

Dieudonne has of course, argued that the gesture is "anti-system."

I would ask you, what "system" is that - Dieudonne has in the past been an outspoken supporter of illegal immigrants and other what people here call "vibrant" people in France. I would suggest that if you (or others) suggested that the tens of thousands of Arab or sub-Saharan immigrants in France would be better off back in their homelands, not to say France itself, you would be very unlikely to have his support.

More to the point, I would bet you that the bulk of people who make the quenelle have no idea one way or the other. It was in the local news here that the NBA player Tony Parker (I'd never heard of the guy before) got into trouble - and his defence was that he had no idea what it meant. I suppose a lot of the saluters are in the same boat.

You're undeniably right that some see the salute as 'anti-establishment,' however you want to define that (and for me, in France, that would HAVE to include the increasing "vibrancy" of the banlieues), whilst others would see it as a Nazi salute.

Valls himself is an interesting character. On the one hand, in the ridiculous affaire Leonarda, he was one of the few voices of reason, unlike the feckless President le Naufrage, who pretty much made a complete ass of himself. He is seen here by many as a political reptile, testing the direction of the sun before acting.

Not sure why he is taking such an active, vocal role in what really is, in my opinion, a pretty petty affair with Dieudonne. Don't recall any major US politicians trying to ban Michael Richards, for example.

J said...

This statistic is a good example of lying with numbers. 0.16% of France's cars are burned intentionally, but I bet that the phenomenon is concentrated in a few neighborhoods and in the vast French interior is unknown. If the French would publish numbers specific to certain neighborhoods, it would become clear that in those neighborhoods car-burning is NOT insignificant at all. But they maintain the admirable fiction of "nos ancestres, les Gaulois"...

Farang said...

Dieudonné is a close friend of former communist and former Front National militant Alain Soral. Yes, Soral belonged to both parties successively. Dieudonné is also a friend of Jean-Marie Le Pen.

One of Alain Soral's books ("Comprendre l'Empire") was given to one of my sons by a Tunisian college buddy of his. We live in a banlieue. I read the book, too. Basically, Dieudonné's and Soral's message is: "You Blacks and Arabs, you aren't the true villains! The Jews are the true villains!'

Which is a message which, understandingly, appeals to second generation Black and Arab immigrants who don't identify with Black and Arab thugs and islamists but who don't assimilate with the mainstream White French either.

It also appeals to young Whites who feel screwed by French leaders. The last four French presidents have been personal friends of Bernard-Henri Lévy, aka BHL: Hollande, Sarkozy, Chirac, and Mitterrand. Prior to 1981, the French president was Giscard d'Estaing, who wasn't exactly a buddy of BHL but who invited him to the Elysée Palace (the official residence of French presidents). Some presidents were left-wing, others were right-wing, but they were all pro-Israeli (even when they pander for Arab votes), pro-US (even Chirac), and pro-immigration (especially Sarkozy, who played us like a violin on this issue). In other words, all our presidents have been tools of the same lobbies since at least 1981, and maybe since Charles De Gaulle retired in 1969.

Two of my children, and myself, are fans of Dieudonné and Soral, for different reasons. We don't share all his ideas, not even most of them actually, but we agree that the French so-called elite and mainstream political parties are treasonous.

French youths of all races feel screwed by the system, for exactly the same reasons American youths feel screwed. But American youth live in a more tightly controlled society, and they have even less venues to express their anger than their French counterparts.

I'm a 57 year old white guy and I feel angry too. That's why I sympathize with Dieudonné and I watch all of Alain Soral's videos, although I suspect that Alain Soral is a closet Muslim convert.

The French socialist leaders are hypocrites: they support the blasphemous, anti-catholic Femen group because it gives them an opportunity to motivate the anti-Christian extreme left wing of the Parti Socialiste:
http://a137.idata.over-blog.com/500x322/3/98/50/26/gofman/femen-3.jpg
The picture was taken in Paris. The young women were not prosecuted. Now, imagine what would have happened if instead of "Fuck the church" they would have had "Fuck Islam" or "Fuck Israel" painted on their bodies... That would've been a hate crime, wouldn't it?

The Femen's financing is unknown. Their Jewish lawyer is also BHL's lawyer.

And Marine Le Pen? She's actually a moderate, compared to Dieudonné and Soral, but at least she's not treasonous! BHL loathes her and vice-versa, it's a good omen.

Farang said...

As to cars burning: as a commenter mentioned, 0.16% of all cars each year is 1.6% of all cars in ten years, and should I say 3.2% in 20 years, 4.8% in 30 years, almost one in 20, and the fires are concentrated in "vibrant areas", such as the one where I've been living for 30 years, east of Paris.

Friends of mine had their car burnt, and so did a friend of one of my sons (he happened to be an Arab, by the way) and a colleague of mine. I've seen cars burning in my neighborhood. Three times in 30 years, and the remains of many more burnt cars. During the riots of 2005, I walked to the railway station to go to work because no bus dared enter my neighborhood, where even a bus was set ablaze.

Anonymous said...

Cars got rust-proofed. Maybe they now need to be fire-proofed in the City of Lights.

Btw, Time mag would have us believe that the 'leftist' government is MORE HONEST about this problem than the previous 'rightist' government, but neither will admit the racial/ethnic angle to this story.

I guess it's them teenois.

Anonymous said...

burn baby burn, this car inferno.

Anonymous said...

French will only rise up when cafes start burning.

ogunsiron said...

@dw budd :


DW Budd said...

@ogunsiron

it (the motivation) for the quenelle is in the eye of the beholder, I would say.
----
Fair enough but just how subjective can we get about this ?

If a bunch of people started taking pictures of themselves giving the finger to the israeli flag or
to posters of Anne Frank, would it make the "middle finger" gesture an anti-semitic one ?
Would be take seriously someone who'd try to argue that the middle finger was an intrinsically anti-semitic gesture ?
The quenelle has a history. I'm not sure how long it's been around but it's been a few years.

If you have time, please search for the video where Taubira is booed and shouted at by the anti-gay marriage people
while she's going to some kind of anti-racism farce. If you recall, the anti gay marriage youth are mostly clean-cut, young,
good looking, very very french, very cathholic, very middle class men and women. They do the quenelle against Taubira and
when asked about the gesture they explain that they're doing it against the system, which they have many, many reasons
to be against indeed.

----

Dieudonne has of course, argued that the gesture is "anti-system."

I would ask you, what "system" is that - Dieudonne has in the past been an outspoken supporter of illegal immigrants and other what people here call "vibrant" people in France. I would suggest that if you (or others) suggested that the tens of thousands of Arab or sub-Saharan immigrants in France would be better off back in their homelands, not to say France itself, you would be very unlikely to have his support.

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Fair points of course, but Dieudonnè and Soral have no love for the "approved" professional
blacks and arabs who endlessly tell the French to fade away.
The mainstream antiracist organisations don't like him *at all* either.

Dieudonnè and Soral, i think, envision a France in which the arabs and blacks are still
there, true, but where the French are given their respect and recognized as the center of the nation.
And no zionists, hehehe.

I'm not saying that this is realistic or doable. It may not be a workable project.
I do want to stress that the actions of Dieudo and Soral make it clear that they have sympathy
for the plight of the French. They also feel very angry that the system (essentially jewish in their eyes)
has been pitting the French, the arabs and the blacks against each other.

The mainstream black and arab organisations aren't like that at all.
They just can't wait for the White French to simply fade away and they usually resent Dieudo and Soral
for caring about the French.

Surely, one can wonder why Dieudo has the backing of the owner of the french nationalist site fdesouche ?
The fdesouche commentariat seems split in half about Dieudo but it's telling that significant number of
french nationalists feel like taking his side, at least for the moment.

ogunsiron said...


@dw budd :

More to the point, I would bet you that the bulk of people who make the quenelle have no idea one way or the other. It was in the local news here that the NBA player Tony Parker (I'd never heard of the guy before) got into trouble - and his defence was that he had no idea what it meant. I suppose a lot of the saluters are in the same boat.

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I'd say that most of the celebrities either had no idea or they thought that it was a kind of "up yours". I can certainly imagine
someone like Anelka doing it while thinking "up yours, system". Yes, I know, Anelka is a millionaire etc and he's a dummy but he
can't possibly have been making a nazi salut. Even if someone like Anelka has problems with jews, there is NO WAY that I can
picture him doing that gesture specifically against the jews.

As I said before, anyone familiar with the more extreme side of french politics knew about the quenelle.

The mainstream french and the international public are just discovering it and I can only marvel at the amazingly successful
propaganda job of the Crif, the licra ( kind of french ADL) in portraying the quenelle as an outright nazi salute!
Even in Israel they didn't know about this nazi salute, as (hilarious!) pictures of quenelles performed in Israel show.

I predict that thanks to the media circus, the quenelle WILL become much more nazified from now on though.

----
You're undeniably right that some see the salute as 'anti-establishment,' however you want to define that (and for me, in France, that would HAVE to include the increasing "vibrancy" of the banlieues)...
----
I'm not trying to paint them as victims, but surely the masses of barely literate arabs and blacks in the french banlieues
aren't an elite. They have been very successfully used by some Elites to wage war against the French people though.
----

Valls himself is an interesting character. On the one hand, in the ridiculous affaire Leonarda, he was one of the few voices of reason, unlike the feckless President le Naufrage, who pretty much made a complete ass of himself. He is seen here by many as a political reptile, testing the direction of the sun before acting.

Not sure why he is taking such an active, vocal role in what really is, in my opinion, a pretty petty affair with Dieudonne. Don't recall any major US politicians trying to ban Michael Richards, for example.
-----
Valls seems like a run of the mill competent politician. He seems awesome when you compare him to
the the pitiful Hollande, the smart but odious and vile taubira and a bimbo like Cécile Duflot.
Why don't they just have Bernard Henry Levy as president and be done with pretending ?

Freedom of speech just isn't taken that seriously in France, unlike in the usa.

One of Dieudonné's targets was the journalist Patrick Cohen (guess his "faith", haha).

Patrick Cohen is on record for stating on national french tv that even freedom of THOUGHT should not be complete!
He was admonishing a fellow journalist for daring to have people like Dieudo and Soral on his tv show.
The other journalist said something like "no one has ever said anything illegal during my show. also don't people have freedom of conscience, the freedom to think what they want ?". Patrick Cohen answered that they did NOT!
For that Dieudo made a joke about how it was too bad that we didn't have gas chambers anymore, because they'd have been useful
to deal with Patrick Cohen. That joke was aired on national TV by a hidden camera crew and that was when it all hit the fan.

ogunsiron said...

@farang :
salut!
Alain Soral and his organization are amazing in their willingless to sit down and speak with pretty much anybody. In their videos I've seen them (french, lots of arabs, few black) have discussions with people who would say flatly that they believed in the reality of race. They were still able to sit down and have a chat.

They're obviously sympathetic to muslims but Alain Soral references Jesus-Christ a lot and he calls himself a catholic. Dieudo is a muslim, though.

I've seen conferences by Soral's organization with french nationalists of the maurassian catholic persuasion.

Soral (and maybe Dieudo) are first of all anti-globalists. They're willing to sit down and talk to other anti-globalists far and wide.

It's no wonder that if you go to a french nationalist site like fdesouche you see a lot of support.


Anonymous said...

"The Japanese are dissapearing from the earth.."

Sure they are. I was in Japan last summer and it was a sea of people everywhere I went. I remember being squeezed, almost crushed, onboard some of the trains over there. I would think any sane Japanese would welcome a little extra elbow room.

But I got a great idea. How about Japan import 244,000 Jamaicans, Pakistanis, Arabs, etc to top up their numbers? Then Tokyo can be as "vibrant" as Londonistan.

Reg Cæsar said...

…I suspect that Alain Soral is a closet Muslim convert.

Is there any such thing? "Marrano Mohammedans"? It seems that converts just want to shout it out to the world.

And where do they do their prostations that no one can see them?

ogunsiron said...

I'm not sure that Soral would be lying about being a muslim. He loudly proclaims a catholic identity.
He does think that christians and muslims can coexist and that all the trouble between them is because of the jews. The bit about christians and muslims peacefully coexisting is naive, imho, but he doesn't strike me as a liar.

Latest news about the affair :

- looks like Dieudonné is being expelled from his theater, even though he was making tons of money for the place.

- he's being investigated for so called money laundering.

- 2 high school kids have been arrested and could be charged with "apology for crime against humanity" for doing a quenelle.

- Patrick Cohen had told Taddei (a pro free speech journalist) that freedom of thought was not OK and some BHL hired guns are going after Taddei now for having featured Dieudo on tv several years ago.

last but not least, one of the pet official black antiracists, Dominique Sopo, has denounced Dieudonné, stating that by aiming at the jews, Dieudo was attacking a *weak and defenseless minority group* !!! Hopefully Bernard Henry Levy gives him a jumbo banana for his valiant efforts.

DW Budd said...

Let's just say that French politics makes for more than interesting bed-fellows.

I would summarise my points:

1) The quenelle, from what I know, was created some years ago by Dieudonne himself. Whether *he* meant it to be anti-semitic, or whether it is an overtly nazi-salute (and I think I said it was a 'barely concealed neonazi' one, a bridge too far perhaps), I think that the excuse that its simply "anti-establishment" is a bit of a blanchissement.

2) I have no interest into descending into whether "the elites" are a massive, Jewish conspiracy. I don't believe that they are - money is its own religion. Wealthy, powerful individuals in France, like the US and I suspect, everywhere, will do what they see is necessary to defend and consolidate that power. Discreetly if possible. Overtly if necessary. Why do you think all the ridiculous "one percent" tripe back in the US focuses on income tax? What better way to ensure the truly wealthy strengthen their grip on power than to make sure that the merely well-off can never get there?

3) The point about the FEMEN is well taken, and in fact, there are many groups (Stop les mensonges de la gauche, who have a news feed I follow among them) who have explicitly raised this issue. But do you actually expect a politician to stand up to shrill, anti-Christian harpies? Anywhere? I see that as a separate, hypocritical issue.

4) My main, larger point is that I think this whole "quenelle" and Dieudonne affair is a stalking horse, as they say. The PS are in deep water; Hollande's promise about the "courbe de chomage" has failed. Virtually every constituency has called him a failure on virtually every front. He has polled at the lowest numbers in the history of political polling in France. The coming elections next year could be a disaster for him. His next-line soldiers (Anne Hidalgo) are reaching for preposterous pledges, like making Paris into some sort of "Avatar" fantasy.

But then, his putatively "conservative" opponents (UMP among them) are little better.

And BOTH are petrified of the FN and Marine Le Pen. Now, Le Pen filles is not Le Pen pere, as you note. But I am seeing posters for her and the FN in surprising places, and they are, in essence, saying just what you're saying (without the Jewish conspiracy parfum) - that Hollande, Sarko, Chirac, et al are all the same, and it's time for a different voice.

THAT message I think is playing well, though few French will admit it out loud in public.

So the political classes are making up fake issues and wringing their hands that letting the FN get any sort of power just won't do.

THAT, is what I think is behind this.

Valls's argument that the what is necessary is "la baisse de rideau" so that "public order" can be maintained is preposterous on its face.

We will see...

(NB: I remember the incident with Taubira. It was, to say the least, amusing.

NB2: Got a laugh about the "banana" reference. No doubt, you remember the fracas with Taubira this fall: "Maligne comme un singe, Taubira trouve la banane"

DW Budd said...

BTW, just saw this on Le Parisien website.

http://www.leparisien.fr/images/2014/01/07/3470585_quenelle-by-diesel.jpg

For those who don't know anything about the "quenelle."

Farang said...

ogunsiron wrote:
I do want to stress that the actions of Dieudo and Soral make it clear that they have sympathy
for the plight of the French


Undoubtedly. That's why I like them.

Conversely, their nemesis BHL wrote a book, named L'Idélologie française, a long time ago, in which he says that fascism, racism and xenophobia are the natural ideology of the French, that's why they have to hand over their sovereignty to international institutions like the EU. And, presumably, let their racist French genes be diluted by immigration. BHL is of Jewish Algerian descent. How such a francophobe as BHL can be so influential in all the successive administrations is a sure sign that the native French are doomed.

As the Romans said, Quos vult perdere Juppiter dementat, Jupiter renders insane those he wants to destroy. Looks like old Jove has decided that the French have been around long enough.

Spanish-born Manuel Valls is the quintessential ambitious politician: former free-mason, member of the Bilderberg circle, and he never forgets to mention in front of Jewish audiences that through his Jewish wife he's connected to Israel pour l'éternité. His plan seems to become president by running against a very right-wing opponent. The left would vote for him, at least in the runoff, to eliminate the right-winger, and most of the center would vote for him too, because they'd rather have a moderate than a genuine right-winger.

The Dieudonné affair is bogus. I think that Valls is just trying to position himself as a staunch enemy of antisemitism in order to get Jewish support and donations. The three main French weeklies were founded by Jews (Jean Daniel, Jean-Jacques Servan-Schreiber, and Jean-François Kahn) and Jewish support is important, since a high proportion of media people are Jewish.

As of now, very few people expect Hollande, who has shown his shallowness, to be elected again in 2017.

My two euro-cents here: all the politicians who are at the forefront of the political scene today will be discredited in 2017, because the country will continue to sink slowly but surely, as it has been doing for years. 93% of Muslim immigrants vote for the left. Sarkozy, as clueless (or should I say, sold out to big money) as an American Republican, has increased immigration and accelerated naturalizations during his presidency.

I expect a left-wing candidate to win in 2017, for demographic reasons, but not Hollande. Montebourg, maybe, who touts both his economic patriotism and his Algerian Muslim grandfather, but who is also a Socialist Party stalwart.

Anonymous said...

At least there's a real opposition in France (the above plus GI, GRECE, FN, the millions who marched against gay marriage/adoption, etc.)-not just a handful of blogs like in the US.

ogunsiron said...

@dw budd :
Haha. I read that the store received threats from silly people who imagined that what's shown is a quenelle!

I referenced the banana on purpose :)

I don't care if it sounds racist.
I'm actually black myself but I have zero, zero respect for taubira, sopo, the cran and all those people.

I don't at this point buy into all encompassing jewish conspiracies but it seems obvious that jewish influence is tremendous and very important. It matters a lot. I'd say that I find micro-conspiracies often plausible. Macro-ones less so.

@farang :
I can't offhand think of an american or canadian public jew who's as loathsome and detestable as BHL.
Btw search for the most recent article on rue89 about Taddéi and Dieudonné, written by one of BHL's lackeys. The lackey is calling for Taddei's head because he dared to have Dieudo on tv some years ago.


ogunsiron said...

@farang :

speaking of jewish saturation in the media, do you remember the Renaud Camus affair ?

Renaud Camus is an extremely pro-israel and philosemitic gay writer who thought that being pro-israel gave him the right to wonder about whether it was slightly innapropriate that very often, in the media, you only had jewish people talking about jewish topics while pretending to talk about french culture.

That was the beginning of the end for him and he's pretty much banned from the mainstream media.

I remember a particularly shocking segment during a tv show where he was being *ridiculed* for stating that there was such a thing as a native French culture and a native French people. Who was ridiculing him the most ? Colombe Schneck, a jewish radio host who has extensively written about her lithuanian jewish background, which seems to be a real culture to her, unlike French culture which is supposedly a myth.

I'm not even French myself but I can't help finding that stuff outrageous.