August 23, 2012

Instead of Divide and Rule, Unite and Submit

I've long pointed out that how the government decides to divvy up individuals for the purposes of affirmative action and disparate impact has long-run social constructionist impact on politics. Smart ruling classes practice divide and rule, but dumb ones, like Republicans, practice unite and submit.

For example, in the early 1970s, the Nixon Administration might have looked at people from south of the Rio Grande and said to themselves, "Wow, those folks will go to war with each other over a soccer game. Back home, they get all insulted if anyone insinuates they aren't pure Castillian. They won't be hard to keep fractured and under our thumb." Instead, the Nixonites decided that it would be bureaucratically convenient to call them all "Hispanics" and give them money and prizes for identifying as "Hispanic."

Four decades later, the newspapers run articles everyday insisting that Hispanics hate the Republicans and the Republicans are electorally doomed unless, according to disinterested Hispanic spokes-experts, they let in lots more Hispanics.

So, changes in bureaucratic classification systems can matter a lot.
WASHINGTON -- To keep pace with rapidly changing notions of race, the Census Bureau wants to make broad changes to its surveys that would treat "Hispanic" as a distinct category regardless of race, end use of the term "Negro" and offer new ways to identify Middle Easterners. 
The recommendations released Wednesday stem from new government research on the best ways to count the nation's demographic groups. Still it could face stiff resistance from some racial and ethnic groups who worry that any kind of wording change in the high-stakes government count could yield a lower tally for them. ...
... The wording in census surveys can also be highly political: census data are used to distribute more than $400 billion in federal aid and draw political districts and thus can elicit concern if a change were to yield a lower response.  
Terry Minnis, director of census and voting programs at the Asian American Justice Center, said more tests are needed to ensure that Asian-Americans are fully counted under a new question format. ...
"As the Census Bureau looks to develop new strategies that maximize measurement and reporting on race and ethnicity, it must ensure that nothing compromises the quality and detail of data on Asian Americans," Minnis said. 

You'll notice that none of the groups consulted are white or Republican or conservative or anti-racialist or citizenist or whatever. Who are these losers to have a say in how their country is run?
... The research is based on an experiment conducted during the 2010 census in which nearly 500,000 households were given forms with the race and ethnicity questions worded differently. The findings show that many people who filled out the traditional form did not feel they fit within the five government-defined categories of race: white, black, Asian, Pacific Islander and American Indian/Alaska Native; when questions were altered to address this concern, response rates and accuracy improved notably. 
For instance, because Hispanic is currently defined as an ethnicity and not a race, some 18 million Latinos – or roughly 37 percent – used the "some other race" category on their census forms to establish a Hispanic racial identity. Under one proposed change to the census forms, a new question would simply ask a person's race or origin, allowing them to check a single box next to choices including black, white, or Hispanic. 
The other changes would drop use of "Negro," leaving a choice of "black" or African-American, as well as add write-in categories that would allow Middle Easterners and Arabs to specifically identify themselves. ...
"This is a hot-button issue," said Angelo Falcon, president of the National Institute for Latino Policy in New York City and a community adviser to the census. "The burden will be on the Census Bureau to come up with evidence that wording changes will not undermine the Latino numbers." ...
While individual Hispanics have expressed dissatisfaction with census forms that don't count Latino as a race, Latino political groups have been reticent about pushing for a change. The main reason: Past research has sometimes shown that treating Latinos as a mutually exclusive group on survey forms leads to a lower Hispanic count. 
"Why would Latinos want to give up their own question on the census form that specifically asks if they are of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin?" asks Falcon of the National Institute for Latino Policy. He notes that the current wording, which first asks people if they are of Latino origin and then prompts them to fill in their race, fostered a strong count in 2010 that yielded a new census milestone for Latinos of 50 million, or 1 in 6 Americans.  

People like Angelo Falcon make their living by claiming to represent over 50,000,000 Hispanics. And the more the better. Right now, Hispanics have their own special Census category, Ethnicity, which nobody else gets. This allows them to be both white on the Race question, which is very, very important to some of them, and get money and prizes for being Hispanic on the Ethnicity question. Falcon is worried that if Ethnicity is dropped Hispanic / Latino gets turned into one answer to the Race question, some of the individuals he claims to represent will choose to be white over Hispanic, thus making him seem like the leader of a smaller power bloc.

The Census Bureau answers that they tested for that, and there's no problem: they've figured out how to word it so that Mr. Falcon will come out just as important.

My solution would be to eliminate from the Census the Ethnicity concept and the Hispanic/Latino answer. Just have Race, and let people identify as mestizo or mulatto or pardo if they feel like. We need to be sensitive to Latin American cultures, and those words are central to their cultures.
Arab-Americans said they strongly support the Census Bureau's efforts. "The Census Bureau's current method for determining Arab ancestry yields a significant undercount of the actual size of the community, and we're optimistic that the new form should be significantly better at capturing ancestry data," the Arab American Institute said in a statement. 

Of course they do. At present, Arabs are classified as white and thus get the fuzzy end of the lollipop along with other whites when it comes to affirmative action and disparate impact discrimination lawsuits. (Remember, without a count to facilitate a claim of disparate impact discrimination, people can only sue for disparate treatment discrimination.)

Thirty years ago, I'd sometimes hang out with this fellow in northwest suburban Chicago, a nice guy who seemed like the quintessential upscale suburban Chicago kid. (In fact, he's now a local politician, the village president of a posh suburb. I see in Wikipedia that he ran for Congress recently as the Democratic nominee but lost in that Republican district full of corporate executives.) At the time, his father was CEO of the most famous bank in Chicago and had recently appeared on the cover of Fortune or Forbes with a headline asserting he was The Toughest Boss in America. The only thing slightly different about this young guy from all the other suburbanites was that he had an Arab surname and looked Levantine. (His grandparents were Lebanese Christian immigrants.)

For reasons of obvious self-interest, I want Arabs and other Middle Easterners in the bureaucratically white tent with me. How in the world does it do me any good for the government to start carving out one set of white people and give them the bureaucratic infrastructure to bring disparate impact lawsuits whenever the numbers happen to work out to their disfavor?
Many demographers predict a wider range of responses on census forms and blurring of racial categories over the next 50 years as the minority population grows and interracial marriage becomes more common.

Sure, but Census Bureau categories work to prevent identities from becoming realistically blurry. For example, consider Xochitl Hinojosa. She may look and live like the affluent and fashion-conscious young white lady she is, but she earned her paycheck as the Obama Justice Department Civil Rights division's Aztec warrior princess / spokesmodel.

103 comments:

The Frankfurt School said...

You'll notice that none of the groups consulted are white or Republican or conservative or anti-racialist citizenist or whatever. Who are they to have a say in how their country is run?

Who, indeed?

[Didn't even need to say "Whom".]

DOUBLE-PLUS-GOOD IN-YOUR-FACE MOO HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

Jehu said...

Republicans seriously need to forcibly strip all white people with Spanish surnames of minority status. That's the first step towards dissolving the Hispanic category altogether.

Anonymous said...

I saw a member of the most important census group do something very vibrant today. Standing on the street I saw a youth jump on to the trunk of a car and proceed to walk across the rear windshield and hood. For the denouement he dropped rear first on to the hood and then fell off the side of the car.

Next he began a countdown to when he was going to smash the driver side window and interrupted the countdown to scream "Give me my phone!!". Apparently his spouse was in the front seat, though I could not see her. All of this was happening in a pleasant, middle-class neighborhood (upscale townhouses). The screaming lasted about 10 minutes and I could hear every word from 250 yards away. He never did smash the window but did manage to get the woman out of the car.

I learned from another bystander that the section 8 bomb had recently been dropped on the neighborhood.

Duke of Qin said...

I was wondering what sort of white man would be the head of the voting rights department at the AAJC. It turns out that Mr. Terry Minnis is actually a Mrs. Terry Ao Minnis.

Doing her part I see in "ensuring that nothing compromises and quality and detail of the data".

No great loss though, she seems to have *ahem* acquired some additional mass since the last flattering photo was taken.

Anonymous said...

Nixon was not very smart... He badmouthed his bosses.

JustAClown said...

divide and rule! My favorite political topic. AKA Divide et impera. This is one thing what makes rich americans rich.
from wikipedia:
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James Madison made this recommendation in a letter to Thomas Jefferson of 24 October 1787,[5] which summarized the thesis of The Federalist #10:[6] "Divide et impera, the reprobated axiom of tyranny, is under certain qualifications, the only policy, by which a republic can be administered on just principles."
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Now, madison, once he got his family money, was worth maybe 100 million in today's dollars, so you had better believe that "administer[ing a nation on just principles" means one thing to you and me and another to a zillionaire like madison.

And indeed federalist 10, probably the most important document to explain why the constitution was written the way it was, explains just how this divide et impera was gonna keep rich people like madison rich (or as madison wrote in federalist 10, how to "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority."

The secret to divide and rule is not just to divide, but to divide and then recombine. Distinguish by some characteristic, say, race, or area of residence, e.g., town/city of residence, and then once so divided, to combine these different factions into ONE SINGLE VOTING DISTRICT.

Thus divided and combined, unity of the electorate is decreased. Decreased unity means the people are less able to elect a representative to the gov't that can represent their interests. Why? Thus divided and combined, they share fewer common interests. Madison wrote that this would prevent the "masses" from discovering their common interests and uniting against the rich.

In fact, under the articles of confederation, this was exactly what was going on--the masses were not divided because the voting districts were small and homogeneous. So the voters in the states were, GASP!, using democracy to carry out the desires of the people. The horror, the horror....

So madison, hamilton, jefferson, washington et al created a new and larger federal nation that had larger voting districts (e.g, president, senate and reps) that would have more factions, less homogeneity and therefore less unity.

Viola, a pseudo-democracy was born--the very first.

Now you know the real history of the USA.

And guess what? Civil rights laws and racial integration and affirmative action? The rich are still doing the same old divide and combine trick. And you don't even realize it...

You may now return to your regularly scheduled pseudo-political discussion....

Anonymous said...

The ACT scores were released yesterday.

1. The white, black, and asian scores all held steady.
2. This hispanic score jumped up .2 points to 18.9 after 4 years of being at 18.6-7.
3. The American Indian score is collapsing... did they recently start mandating the test or what? It will be interesting to see what they score next year.


http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/08/22/act-scores-are-flat

Ed said...

The classifications are a step backwards for the simple reason that "Hispanic" is not a race, if the term is used with any meaning attached.

Its actually strange that Hispanics are the only ethnic group tracked by the Census. If any ethnic group is to be tracked, it probably should be American Indians (or Native Americans). Of course many Hispanics are Indians or of Indian descent, but from Indians that lived south of the Rio Grande.

Really for race you should be asked which race each of your grandparents were, white, black or yellow (though "yellow" would have to be called something else, maybe East Asian and Native American), or a mixture of any of the three. And if three of your grandparents belong to a particular race, then so do you (otherwise you are mixed race).

For ethnicity, same thing just ask what countries each person's grandparents came from. Ethnic groups tend to lose their identities after three or four generations, unless attached to a religion or kept alive by bureaucracies such at the Latino group.

Tony said...

Too bad. I really like the word negro.

slumber_j said...

Bob Abboud was so tough a boss back in them days that he kicked my father out of the Trust Dept. at First Chicago. I have no idea whether or not he was right to do so, but I doubt it.

He was a bit of a bastard I think... But hey, at least he was maybe an oppressed minority bastard!! Good for him!

Anonymous said...

Nixon was thinking of penalizing companies that hired illegal immigrants. He was more interested in giving affirmative action to those born in the US. In some ways he was better than either Reagan or Bush on Hispanics. He thought those in mexico were clean and some in the states not so. But he wanted to help them in the states. Nixon growing in OC/La area knew about the case where Mexicans were forced into Mexican schools in the late 1940's in Orange County, so that why he was pro-AA but somewhat anti-illegal immigrant.

Lizard Boy said...

Why do Whites keep pretending that race is some trivial issue that can be ignored? And why does it often come from people who are supposed to be "HBD'ers"?

There will be no nation built on "citizenshiperism-ist" ideology, nor any other tortured logic.

The writing is on the wall politically - it is Whites on one side and non-Whites on the other. Period. I thought that the Asians might vote our way too, long ago, but it's obvious that is a pipe dream.

Steve Sailer said...

"He was a bit of a bastard I think... But hey, at least he was maybe an oppressed minority bastard!!"

Then he went to work for Armand Hammer at Oxy Pete. That didn't last long.

Anonymous said...

The ACT scores were released yesterday.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/08/22/act-scores-are-flat



So the difference between asians and whites is almost the same as the difference between american indians and blacks.

Hmm, so since native americans are originally from north asia why do they score so low?

Anonymous said...

Sorry for OT:

Here is a link to Xochitl Hinojosa's LinkedIn profile. Clearly, she has just quit DOJ sinecure and works now as communication director for the Senate campaign of Shelley Berkley (born Rochelle Levine), a Las Vegas Democrat.

Could anyone with LinkedIn registration look up what was the education that Xochitl Hinojosa received at The University of the Incarnate Word that allowed her to get a job as DOJ spokeswoman at seemingly very young age?

Anonymous said...

Ooops, forgot the link to Xochitl Hinojosa profile: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/xochitl-hinojosa/28/8b3/a02

Anonymous said...

Hmm, so since native americans are originally from north asia why do they score so low?

Lots of things can happen in 15,000 years. Besides, it's not like Chukchis have super high IQ. (may be even the opposite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_jokes#Chukchi )

RKU said...

For decades now, I've always joked with people about the unusual classification framework followed by the American government. Basically, the human species is scientifically divided into four great macro-races: the Caucasoids, the Mongoloids, the Negroids, and the French.

A physical anthropology textbook as written by Monty Python...

Anonymous said...

"Smart ruling classes practice divide and rule, but dumb ones, like Republicans, practice unite and submit."

But if Plunger Man is so smart, how come he allows WHIM to block any suggestions that Jews(dominant members of the liberal elite)be counted as a separate social category and be targeted/discriminated against in favor of white gentiles?

If elite Jews are using affirmative action to undermine white gentile interests in order form a political alliance with blacks and Hispanics, then shouldn't it only make sense to call out on Jewish over-representation in many elite fields and demand that Jews sacrifice their high representation in order to make things 'fairer' for whites?

Anonymous said...

Actually, what Nixon was trying to do was semi-smart, but it didn't turn out that way. What he was going for was what might be called the Southwestern Strategy, that is to make Hispanics the OTHER minority and pit them against blacks. In other words, use brown power against black power. And if might have worked if most Hispanic leaders were Republicans steering Hispanics toward conservative issues. But as it happened, most Hispanic leaders were on the 'left'. Also, Jews were far more adept at playing the Brown Card. So, instead of brown power being used against blacks, it ended up being played against whites.

And blacks, instead of fuming about affirmative action going to browns as well, decided to form an alliance against the bigger enemy: whites.

Even so, even though the great majority of Hispanics are Democrats, there is something of a divide-and-rule dynamic to Hispanic and black relations. This is especially clear in big cities where white liberal mayors will oftentimes, wink wink, send message to Hispanics that 'if you don't support us whites, blacks will take over the city, and that will be worse for you browns.'

Anonymous said...

"Hmm, so since native americans are originally from north asia why do they score so low?"

Cochran and Harpending would probably say there's been lots of evolution since they came across the straits.
Robert Hume

Anonymous said...

@Steve Sailer

"For example, consider Xochitl Hinojosa. She may look and live like the affluent and fashion-conscious young white lady she is, but she earned her paycheck as the Obama Justice Department Civil Rights division's Aztec warrior princess / spokesmodel."

No, she is of Spanish(Spaniard) descent.

And Xochitl is one of the cutest girls I have ever seen in my life...

Anonymous said...

Another huge blow to white majoritarian sentimentalists - this will accelerate the timeline for the inevitable demographic transitioning of the US to majority-minority status.

Since Obama's election chances can be classified as likely (66% according to 538), expect an amnesty to be pushed through second term, as Republicans realize that Steve has been fatally wrong all along --the Hispanic vote DOES matter. The old Southern Strategy is now formally outmoded - I suspect the Republicans will have to become more like UK Tories if they are to ever have a serious shot at gaining executive power in the US again.

Anonymous said...

Unite and Submit worked well for Iraq...

Anonymous said...

"Why do Whites keep pretending that race is some trivial issue that can be ignored?"

Whites will keep living in a fantasy world until a TOTAL collapse.

Dad said...

Hmm, so since native americans are originally from north asia why do they score so low?

Maybe life got a little easier for their ancestors after moving into a large new continent, full of game and unpopulated by human rivals. So there was less selection for IQ over the past 15,000 years than among the cousins back in Northeast Asia. Growing up on welfare with alcoholic relatives can't being doing much for their test scores either.

RKU said...

Actually, what Nixon was trying to do was semi-smart, but it didn't turn out that way.

Someone should do a little research and see whether there's any evidence that the Nixon or his higher-level aides had anything to do with it. I vaguely remember reading a claim a long time ago that the Census change was actually pushed through by some career staffer who'd been a hold-over from Kennedy/Johnson and might have had a very different agenda. After all, the "Hispanic" population was minuscule at that point and heavily rural, and Nixon was focused on the Vietnam War, China/Russia, urban black riots, and that sort of thing, so it wasn't exactly his top priority. I doubt if he paid much attention to Armenian-Americans or Japanese-Americans either.

Mr X said...

"No, she is of Spanish(Spaniard) descent."

Hijonosa may be Spanish, but Xochitl is certainlhy not a Spanish name, but supposedly Aztec. It's awful and I don't even know how to pronounce it. The first time I heard it I didn't even know if it referred to a man, a woman or some type of lizard.

Anonymous said...

@Mr.X

"Hijonosa may be Spanish, but Xochitl is certainlhy not a Spanish name, but supposedly Aztec. It's awful and I don't even know how to pronounce it. The first time I heard it I didn't even know if it referred to a man, a woman or some type of lizard."

My point is that she is of Castilian and Asturian descent and does not appear to have a single droplet of Anglo blood in her. Hence, she is not a "white lady" like Steve Sailer calls her and thus there is nothing wrong with her claiming minority status.

Anonymous said...


or some type of lizard


I would go with some type of lizard.

Mr. Rational said...

since native americans are originally from north asia why do they score so low?

The selective pressures associated with widespread agriculture and thousands of years of civilization were never applied to Native Americans.

Anonymous said...

So 9:24 PM has transcended Nordicism for Anglicist. Only those of Anglo-descent are white? Last I checked, Castile and Asturias are in Europe, and their inhabitants are pretty darn white.

Anonymous said...

Hence, she is not a "white lady"

jeez, how many times have we been through this crap? That all non-anglos are poor put-upon somehow less-than-whites.

She is a white lady.

Anonymous said...

"the Hispanic vote DOES matter."

It matters because whites don't vote as a bloc.
Not that Sailer Strategy will work. Go on facebook with a bunch of 'liberal friends' and they fume about any notion of white power or interest. And among young white people, I'd say a most of the ones I got to know on facebook are rabidly liberal and 'progressive'. And most are for 'gay marriage'. This country is toast.

Anonymous said...

anonymous:'My point is that she is of Castilian and Asturian descent and does not appear to have a single droplet of Anglo blood in her. Hence, she is not a "white lady" like Steve Sailer calls her and thus there is nothing wrong with her claiming minority status."

Castilians and Asturians are Europeans; Europeans are White; hence, Hinojosa is White.

Syon

Anonymous said...

"For example, consider Xochitl Hinojosa. She may look and live like the affluent and fashion-conscious young white lady she is, but she earned her paycheck as the Obama Justice Department Civil Rights division's Aztec warrior princess / spokesmodel."

Anonymous:"No, she is of Spanish(Spaniard) descent."

Spaniards are Europeans; Europeans are White.

"And Xochitl is one of the cutest girls I have ever seen in my life..."

You poor man; that is one of the saddest comments that I have ever read.

Anonymous said...

You know where all this is heading.

What we are seeing is the genesis of an embryonic caste system developing in what used to be the Republic - and how all this pans out in the centuries hence is a moot point. The origin of rigid caste distinctions in India is lost in history - but the concept gained force way back in ancient times when it had religious and legal force.
As I've said the proto-caste racial distinctions that are rooting in the former USA simply won't go away - they are here to stay for perpetuity and will only gain more culural and sociological vehemanance as time goes by. In this the former USA will evolve to become a society that resembles Europe in terms of social convention in very little way.
In India, religion guranteed caste and frightened the bejesus (if I might invoke Christ in a Hindu nation!)out of would be dissenters. In the former USA the full force of government (including, of course, state violence up to and including thermonuclear devices), does the same.
A further point, in India the highest castes are the descendants of Aryan men , the white conquerors rom the north. The lowest castes are the descendants of dark, weak stone-age forest dwellers. In the former USA, the lowest caste (ie the 'butt' of all legislated state-violence enforced discrimination, the eternal victim of all dumping) are the white Aryan men, the descendants of the conquerors.
At least caste as practised in India wasn't perverse in its intent.

Anonymous said...

The simple and obvious point is this:

The USA will be a so-called 'minority-majority' nation (the oxymoron to end all oxymorons), in very short order, only 30 years or so hence from now.(Remember folks, this is no further away in time than the Falklands War or 'who shot JR').
Now caste-like racial divisions and state enforced government prferences aren't going away - they will only get stronger and further entrenched (perhaps 'neo-feudal' is a better term).
The Democrats are the clear winners in this game - they are the creators, masters, perserver and gamers-par-excellence of thi system (not that the Republicans did anything different, mind you).
Stands to reason that the Democrats will have an in built permanent majority in the future USA with the further entrenchment and enforcement of caste being the centerpiece,, the jewel-in-the-crown of their policy and key to permanent rule.
Bye, bye and good riddance useless Republicans - you richly deserve your fate.
As for whites, well god help you - no one else is gonna do.

Anonymous said...

If you retrospect Nixon, everything he did was a monumental, catastrophic f*ck-up failure. Very little, if not nothing he did was good or successful.

Abandoning the gold standard.
Extending and institutionalizing AA.
Christmas bombing in Vietnam.
Price controls.
Mishandling the Middle Eat and oil crisis.

etc etc.

spandrell said...

I liked better "consolidate and surrender"

Anonymous said...

Maybe life got a little easier for their ancestors after moving into a large new continent, full of game and unpopulated by human rivals. So there was less selection for IQ over the past 15,000 years than among the cousins back in Northeast Asia. Growing up on welfare with alcoholic relatives can't being doing much for their test scores either.

In other words IQ is dependent on the environment? Why is this argument never applied to africans by the HBD crowd?

Mr X said...

"My point is that she is of Castilian and Asturian descent and does not appear to have a single droplet of Anglo blood in her. Hence, she is not a "white lady" like Steve Sailer calls her and thus there is nothing wrong with her claiming minority status."

I'm confused, are Spaniards not White? My understanding was that "Hispanic" really referred to half-Spanish half-Amerindian mestizos. I don't see why Spaniards should be able to apply for minority status/affirmative action, if they are White. Then again, the whole "Hispanic" thing is stupid and makes no sense.

The Frankfurt School said...

The Democrats are the clear winners in this game - they are the creators, masters, perserver and gamers-par-excellence of this system

MOO HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

Anonymous said...

in India the highest castes are the descendants of Aryan men , the white conquerors rom the north. The lowest castes are the descendants of dark, weak stone-age forest dwellers......At least caste as practised in India wasn't perverse in its intent.

You obviously have never been to India.

Anonymous said...

Hey, a little off-topic, but Longmire did something with fetal alcohol syndrome recently.

And that episode featured the chick from Terrence Malick's The New World.

Anonymous said...

If you want to count Arabs as White you'd better say "long nose round eyes" instead. But Arabs are really a language group, like Latinos. So how about classifying by mother tongue, and push for English First. Bring American-born Blacks and West Indians on board, exclude Spanish-speakers of ever hue. Restrict AA to American-born Blacks and Native Amercans.

Anonymous said...

I don't see why Spaniards should be able to apply for minority status/affirmative action, if they are White.

Because we can! Bwahahaha!

But, yes, I do feel bad sometimes for working the system. I think the new categorization for "Hispanics" should be: "Spanish," "mestizo," or "Amerindian." And only the latter group should receive any kind of preferential treatment.

But until then, I'll keep collecting government goodies. Thanks, mom, for being a Castillian Mexican!

Anonymous said...

"She may look and live like the affluent and fashion-conscious young white lady she is .."


No, she is of Spanish(Spaniard) descent.


Spanish people are white.


My point is that she is of Castilian and Asturian descent and does not appear to have a single droplet of Anglo blood in her. Hence, she is not a "white lady" like Steve Sailer calls her


"White" does not mean "Anglo-Saxon". The term "white" encompasses Anglo-Saxons, Celts, Slaves and Spaniards, among others.

Anonymous said...

"For reasons of obvious self-interest, I want Arabs and other Middle Easterners in the bureaucratically white tent with me. "

Why would you want nonWhites, like Arabs, lumped in with Whites? Most Arabs are as lively, vibrant and diverse as low-IQ, low impulse control Hispanics. How does it serve you for the government to lie and tell us Arabs are White?

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

""Maybe life got a little easier for their ancestors after moving into a large new continent, full of game and unpopulated by human rivals. So there was less selection for IQ over the past 15,000 years than among the cousins back in Northeast Asia. Growing up on welfare with alcoholic relatives can't being doing much for their test scores either.""

In other words IQ is dependent on the environment? Why is this argument never applied to africans by the HBD crowd?"

No, not in other words. Not at all. The original poster meant: evolutionary pressure caused by environment. I don't know if what he said is true, and I am not endorsing it, but your sloppy, ignorant summary of what he said was wrong.

Anonymous said...

The demographic transition hasn't occured and things are starting to break down on a social & cultural level. You think the rising tide of NAMs can somehow pull America from the brink? No? Then stop worrying about stuff twenty plus years out.

The heavy welfare state we have where (lower & middle class) whites subsidize NAMs is coming apart. It cannot continue. End stop. No more food stamps, no more government being the silent father. You'd do better worrying about your shot group and linking up with like minded folks than wringing your hands about mestizo and black babies that haven't been born, and in all likelyhood won't be born when things go to shit.

Anonymous said...

OTOH, if Arab-Americans turn out to be disproportionately economically successful, relative to their numbers, and regular white unhyphenated Americans become more protective of their ethnic interests and form coalitions with groups that resent the success of the Arabs (and perhaps another "Caucasian" ethnicity), then not being able to hide behind other Caucasian people might be very dangerous for the Arabs. Having your own separate category on the census can be a double-edged sword.

Georgia Resident said...

"'Maybe life got a little easier for their ancestors after moving into a large new continent, full of game and unpopulated by human rivals. So there was less selection for IQ over the past 15,000 years than among the cousins back in Northeast Asia. Growing up on welfare with alcoholic relatives can't being doing much for their test scores either.'

In other words IQ is dependent on the environment? Why is this argument never applied to africans by the HBD crowd?"

Well, the first is an evolutionary cause, and is therefore perfectly consistent with hereditarianism. Secondly, most HBDers do not attribute ALL differences between races to genetics, just a significant proportion. With regards to the Amerindian tribes in the US, it seems likely that being dirt poor and in many cases suffering from moderate to severe FAS depresses the overall IQ of tribal Amerindians.

Anonymous said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/opinion/why-china-resents-japan-and-us.html

Anonymous said...

remember 'red scare'?

rape hysteria is Bed Scare.

Anonymous said...

It has always been easy for those in homogeneous white communities to socially posture as being more holier than thou when it comes to race relations. Their only exposure to other races is via Hollywood.

But lately, homogeneous white communities... aren't. People are becoming familiar with the other. And while contempt may be a very strong word, there is a reason for the expression "Familiarity breeds contempt". It's one thing watching stupid movie rednecks getting their comeuppance for their bullying actions against cute little movie minorities. It's another thing entirely when you can't read the signs in your main street, when your nice paying job gets outsourced to India, and when your car is lit on fire by "youths".

One thing I've noticed is that with coverage of events like the Olympics etc., people are starting to pick up on the brownification of Europe. Five years ago, the conception the average non-British person had of England was that it was lily white, irrespective of the reality in London. So I think it's dawning on people that there is no escape, at some point there will need to be a line drawn in the sand.

The less people have to lose, the more their backs are to the wall, the more certain the loss people face from doing nothing at all - the more likely they are to fight back. So while the situation is dark now and getting darker, we must remember that it's always darkest before the dawn. Often people need to hit rock bottom to change their ways.

Galvani's Frog said...

Do you think Xochitl Hinojosa ever googles her name? Right now, that Steve's post about her is the #1 link, above her Linkedin and Twitter accounts.

Can you imagine what she'd think if she reads this? She almost certainly had never been exposed to anything like that before.

The Anti-Gnostic said...

In other words IQ is dependent on the environment? Why is this argument never applied to africans by the HBD crowd?

You are a complete fool. No better than the Young Earth creationists.

Anonymous said...

The Republicans don't represent and are not remotely interested in their voters. They represent the people who fund them. The people who fund them are exactly the same people who fund the Democrats and they have the exact same intention which is to create a society with a small ultra-rich elite and a vast mass of slave drones.

The Democrats may be more explicitly anti-white but that doesn't mean they're pro-black or pro-hispanic. That's just a temporary divide and rule tactic. Blacks and hispanics are ear-marked for slave-drone status as well.

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"Hmm, so since native americans are originally from north asia why do they score so low?"

Either north asians got smarter in the interim or native americans got dumber. Personally i'd guess the former - something to do with a massive civilization based on highly productive agricultural land maybe.

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"In other words IQ is dependent on the environment? Why is this argument never applied to africans by the HBD crowd?"

It's always applied. The point is if there is a latitudinal basis for base IQ then it evolved over a *long time* in a particular environment so it can't change in a generation only over multiple generations. It also requires selective pressure i.e. dumber people died off more in the north because they didn't plan for the winter as well as the smarter ones.

If civilization collapsed tomorrow and only black people were left then the ones in the northern latitudes would eventually get smarter than the ones further south because the smarter ones would survive better.

(Or you could artificially create selective pressure which would work eventually if it was designed right.)

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"I thought that the Asians might vote our way too, long ago, but it's obvious that is a pipe dream."

Why would they side with people who can't prevent their own genocide in their own terriotory?

It would pay for them to realise what is happening as if white people are successfully gotten rid of then the next most capable group become the next potential threat but that's it.

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"I learned from another bystander that the section 8 bomb had recently been dropped on the neighborhood."

If the IQ bomb does eventually get dropped then getting as many black people as possible dispersed in white neighborhoods via section 8 in advance means the resulting explosion will claim as many white victims as possible.

Kylie said...

"My point is that she is of Castilian and Asturian descent and does not appear to have a single droplet of Anglo blood in her. Hence, she is not a 'white lady' like Steve Sailer calls her and thus there is nothing wrong with her claiming minority status."

What the--??

Your point is nonsensical and you are stupid to have made it. I can't even credit you with the intelligence to have posted it anonymously, you probably can't figure out the "choose an identity" instructions at the bottom of the page.

If she is of Castilian and Asturian descent, then she is Spanish and therefore white.

While it is true that all Anglos are white, not all whites are Anglo just as all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.

Anonymous said...

Not that Sailer Strategy will work. Go on facebook with a bunch of 'liberal friends' and they fume about any notion of white power or interest. And among young white people, I'd say a most of the ones I got to know on facebook are rabidly liberal and 'progressive'. And most are for 'gay marriage'. This country is toast.

I like to point out to the left liberals that their horror of any common position with any other whites proves that socialism will never succeed amongst their kind.

Anonymous said...

In other words IQ is dependent on the environment? Why is this argument never applied to africans by the HBD crowd?

No, read what anon said again. Environment can probably lower IQ but it cant do a whole lot to increase it.

Rob said...

In other words IQ is dependent on the environment? Why is this argument never applied to africans by the HBD crowd?

IQ is hugely dependent on environment - your ancestors' environment, that is. Fifteen thousand years of natural selection manifests itself in the current genotype.

Anonymous said...

the section 8 bomb...

...needs to be carpet-bombed all around Chez Mo' Dees.

Anonymous said...

It also requires selective pressure i.e. dumber people died off more in the north because they didn't plan for the winter as well as the smarter ones.

But American-Indians whose ACT scores are similar to african-americans are descended from mongoloids living in more northern latitudes than the high IQ Cantonese.

If your thesis was true then the Eskimos, Siberians, Mongolians etc of today should have the highest IQs. But that is not the case, is it?

Anonymous said...

the ones in the northern latitudes would eventually get smarter than the ones further south because the smarter ones would survive better.

Yet historically both the europeans (Greeks and Romans) and the Asians (Chinese, Indians etc) have considered the people of the far north as barbarians.

All of the earliest human civilizations arose in the hot south. Clearly your model is flawed.

Anonymous said...

"My point is that she is of Castilian and Asturian descent and does not appear to have a single droplet of Anglo blood in her. Hence, she is not a "white lady" like Steve Sailer calls her and thus there is nothing wrong with her claiming minority status."

Those oppressed Castilians, lol.

Was this comment written by a Spaniard? They do have a bug up their butts about "anglosajones".

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8/24/12 7:37 AM :

OTOH, if Arab-Americans turn out to be disproportionately economically successful, relative to their numbers, and regular white unhyphenated Americans... form coalitions with groups that resent the success of the Arabs (and perhaps another "Caucasian" ethnicity).

Why put quotation marks around the term Caucasian in relation to the inferred group, obviously Jews? Do you understand the history of the term? German physician and naturalist Johann Blumenbach, writing in the late 18th and early 19th century, named the Caucasian race after the people who thought were its archetype, the peoples of the South Caucasus region. It is incorrect and frankly not standard anthropologic usage to treat the term as a synonym for white European to the exclusion of groups like Jews and Arabs. The South Caucasian peoples show significant uniparental DNA affinity to northern Middle Easterners. For that matter, most Jews alive today have significant southern European admixture in that Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews together are more numerous than Mizrahi Jews.

Anonymous said...

@Kylie

"Your point is nonsensical and you are stupid to have made it. I can't even credit you with the intelligence to have posted it anonymously, you probably can't figure out the "choose an identity" instructions at the bottom of the page.

If she is of Castilian and Asturian descent, then she is Spanish and therefore white.

While it is true that all Anglos are white, not all whites are Anglo just as all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares."

I can assure you that my IQ is at least 50 points higher than yours - since you guys care so much about IQ. And it is only "nonsenical" because you are not cleer enough to make sense of it. Don't blame me.

Historically, southern Europeans such as Castilians and Lombards are not regarded as "white" by Americans. When Americans say "white", they use it as a term that is analogous and synonymous with "Anglo-Saxon", or at least northern European. That means northern European phenotype of blonde hair and blue eyes or ariations on the theme - to paraphrase Haydn.

The 1924 and 1952 Immigrations Acts were designed to limit the immigration of southern Europeans on the premise that they were an inferior stock. No American of Italian or Iberian descent would hae been able to become president up to the 1960s or so.

But Sailer considers "white" anyone who isn't clearly black or Asian. I laughed when Sailer said that Asian Indians should be reclassified as "white". It was pushing it to qualify as "white" the Arabs, who are Semites, but considering Asian Indians white is ridiculous. How can anyone look at a citizen from Stuttgart and then at one from Bombay and consider them from the same race? Stee only wants to consider them as such because he wants to get as many people off Affirmatie Action as possible. He doesen't really consider them white.

(the 22nd letter of the alphabet is jammed on my keyboard)

Severn said...

since native americans are originally from north asia why do they score so low?


This same idiot has been asking this same question on this same web site for the last few months now, and never accepting the answer - yes, Native Americans were originally from Asia, where "originally" means 13,000 - 16,000 years ago!

You might as well ask how white Americans can possibly have higher ACT scores than African-Americans, because after all, didn't white people originate in Africa too once upon a time?

OldFogey said...

Does anybody else remember the good old days when they kept track of how many German-Americans, Italian-Americans, etc., there were in the country? Why don't they forget about "Hispanic" and track today's immigrants by country of origin, as used to be the case?

Anonymous said...

So the difference between asians and whites is almost the same as the difference between american indians and blacks.

Hmm, so since native americans are originally from north asia why do they score so low?


You've had this explained to you like fifty times. High IQs demand high latitudes and high population densities. Amerindians do have fairly high IQs for groups that evolved (until recently) with no urban centers, no pockets of high population density, in which assortative mating could take place. Amerindians are absolute geniuses compared to West Africans (and no, those "huge, ancient African empires" don't count, because they weren't huge, weren't long-lasting, and weren't particularly ancient for that matter either).

But in order to get really high IQs (above the low 90s), you need to have literate urban people marrying each other for several generations. Areas in the Americas where that happened were not far north.

(I'm writing this for the benefit of general passersby, not race-Marxist dufooses who think asking the same question over and over, and not reading the answer, constitutes some kind of clever riposte against psychometrics.)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous leftist:"I can assure you that my IQ is at least 50 points higher than yours - since you guys care so much about IQ."

Funny how guys who claim to not believe in IQ always make a point of boasting about their IQs; why, it almost makes you doubt their sincerity...

"Historically, southern Europeans such as Castilians and Lombards are not regarded as "white" by Americans. When Americans say "white", they use it as a term that is analogous and synonymous with "Anglo-Saxon", or at least northern European."

Historically, dear boy (girl?), not being White carried some rather significant consequences in American life: restrictions on property ownership, voting rights, military service, etc. I seem to have somehow failed to hear about Castilians and Lombards not having the right to own property, vote in elections, and serve in the military...



"That means northern European phenotype of blonde hair and blue eyes or ariations on the theme - to paraphrase Haydn."

Yeah, George Santayana, the poor man, was passed over for a professorship at Harvard because he wasn't blond....oh, wait, that happened in the Bizzaro world.




"The 1924 and 1952 Immigrations Acts were designed to limit the immigration of southern Europeans on the premise that they were an inferior stock."

Man, you have such a jones about Southern Europeans that you up and forget that the restrictions also applied to Slavs.






" No American of Italian or Iberian descent would hae been able to become president up to the 1960s or so."


Somehow, I tend to think that a Protestant American of Italian descent (cf the Virginia Taliaferro family, one of the FFVs)would have not had much difficulty. You seriously underestimate the role of anti-Catholic sentiment.

"But Sailer considers "white" anyone who isn't clearly black or Asian. I laughed when Sailer said that Asian Indians should be reclassified as "white". It was pushing it to qualify as "white" the Arabs, who are Semites,"

Really? The American people seem to have no difficulty regarding Christian Arabs like Ralph Nader and John Sununu as White...



"but considering Asian Indians white is ridiculous. How can anyone look at a citizen from Stuttgart and then at one from Bombay and consider them from the same race?"

People seem to have no trouble looking at mixed-race Halle Berry and seeing a Black woman. A lot of South Asians are as White-looking as Halle Berry is Black-looking.South Asians overlap with Caucasoids/West Eurasians on a lot of metrics.



"Stee only wants to consider them as such because he wants to get as many people off Affirmatie Action as possible. He doesen't really consider them white."

Good to know that you are a mind reader.

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Anonymous said...

"For reasons of obvious self-interest, I want Arabs and other Middle Easterners in the bureaucratically white tent with me."

I would argue that Arabs are not 'white' by any classical measure and - although they seem to admire light features, especially in women - most Arabs would probably resent being thrown in with Europeans as whities.

It raises some interesting questions though. Let's say that only people of European ethnic origin are "white". What about Armenians, Georgians, Chechens and other Transcaucasian peoples? Where do they fit in? What about the Turks?

Anonymous said...

yes, Native Americans were originally from Asia, where "originally" means 13,000 - 16,000 years ago!

You might as well ask how white Americans can possibly have higher ACT scores than African-Americans, because after all, didn't white people originate in Africa too once upon a time?


Let somebody intelligent answer my question.

FYI, Native Americans and northeast Asians belong to the same race. Africans and Europeans do not.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous:"FYI, Native Americans and northeast Asians belong to the same race. Africans and Europeans do not."

That is debatable.

At any rate, the separation between Amerinds and East Asians has been long enough for for a considerable amount of mutation/variation to occur (cf the very recent mutation in Europeans allowing for lactose tolerance).

corvinus said...

I've always found it annoying how "Hispanic" gives the Census Bureau brain seizures. What is wrong with "Latin American mestizo or mulatto"? That's what most of them are!

I would argue that Arabs are not 'white' by any classical measure and - although they seem to admire light features, especially in women - most Arabs would probably resent being thrown in with Europeans as whities.

It raises some interesting questions though. Let's say that only people of European ethnic origin are "white". What about Armenians, Georgians, Chechens and other Transcaucasian peoples? Where do they fit in? What about the Turks?


The reason we don't count Arabs separately from whites is because of our Jewish population, who complained in 1920 or 1930 (I forgot when) when we either counted them separately from whites, or were going to. Since nearly half the world's Jews now live in Israel, it makes this problem worse. Both are Semitic; both inhabit the Middle East.

I think the Census will continue counting Middle Eastern Muslims as white unless we get a large enough population of them that they push to be their own group. And even then, rather than a "race", we might have a separate Muslim "ethnicity", similar to the one we have for Hispanics now. But for the moment, we don't have enough Mideast Muslims here to bother, unlike, say, Mideast Muslims in France, or "Hispanics" (mestizos) here. Hispanics themselves used to be in this very boat; they were simply counted as white as recently as 1970.

My point is that [Xochitl] is of Castilian and Asturian descent and does not appear to have a single droplet of Anglo blood in her. Hence, she is not a "white lady" like Steve Sailer calls her and thus there is nothing wrong with her claiming minority status.

Nor Aztec blood, for that matter.

Anonymous said...

Anonympus:

"I would argue that Arabs are not 'white' by any classical measure"

Really? So you don't count John Sununu, Steve Jobs, Ralph Nader, Terrence Malick, Tony Shalhoub, etc as White? You are definitely in the minority on that one.



"and - although they seem to admire light features, especially in women - most Arabs would probably resent being thrown in with Europeans as whities."

See list above. Those people don't seem to mind being White.




"It raises some interesting questions though. Let's say that only people of European ethnic origin are "white". What about Armenians, Georgians, Chechens and other Transcaucasian peoples? Where do they fit in? What about the Turks?"


RE: Armenians,

Look up the race for governor of California between Tom Bradley and George Deukmejian; the race was covered as a Black vs White contest, not as a Black vs Armenian contest.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

Let somebody intelligent answer my question."

It was not an intelligent question.

Anonymous said...

"FYI, Native Americans and northeast Asians belong to the same race. Africans and Europeans do not."

Europeans and Africans are in many ways more closely related to each other than either are to Europeans. For example, Europeans and Africans both nearly universally have wet earwax, while nearly all Asians have dry earwax.

Anonymous said...

Here we go again.

Can that 'anonymous' show us a single census (or any other official government classification document) from that time period (ie 100 years ago), that requires Italians to tick a box labelled anything other than white?
Can he find a *one single* serious anthropological text from that age that classifies Italians as a black race?
Can he find a single example of Italian recruits to the army etc being assigned as 'non-whites'?
Can he find any serious printed commentary from that time describing Italians as coming from a 'non white' race?

It is important that myths are destroyed before they gain credibility and currency.

Anonymous said...

Judge Antonin Scalia.

A famous example of a black man attainig the highest office during the period of non acceptance that lasted right into the 1960s.

Anonymous said...

Or even Frank Sinatra - you know that famous inging black man who was *the* cultural icon of the 40s, 50s and 60s.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:01 PM

"Funny how guys who claim to not believe in IQ always make a point of boasting about their IQs; why, it almost makes you doubt their sincerity..."

I don't care about IQ. I had mine tested when I was 10 for routine reasons, so I know what it is. She resorted to personal insults calling me stupid. so I replied that my IQ is likely much higher than hers - since you guys care so much about IQ, this is a good way to humiliate you.

"Historically, dear boy (girl?), not being White carried some rather significant consequences in American life: restrictions on property ownership, voting rights, military service, etc. I seem to have somehow failed to hear about Castilians and Lombards not having the right to own property, vote in elections, and serve in the military..."

I NEVER claimed that southern
Europeans in the U.S were discriminated as severely and the same extend as blacks. Plese show me where I stated that. But nevertheless, southern Europeans were discriminated up to the mid 20the century, and barred from becoming president or even speaker of the house. The U.S was up to then ruled by a WASP elite, mostly a Yankee elite from New England. An issue of degree.

"Yeah, George Santayana, the poor man, was passed over for a professorship at Harvard because he wasn't blond....oh, wait, that happened in the Bizzaro world."

A professorship at a university is not a position of political power. Harvard had Jewish quotas. Most of the scientists at the Manhattan Project were Jewish, and yet a Jew, even if native born, could NEVER become president in the 1940s. Americans never had any problems having non-Anglos work for them - such as the scientists of the Manhattan Project -, but positions of power were barred to non-Anglos up to the 1960s. This is a fact.

"Man, you have such a jones about Southern Europeans that you up and forget that the restrictions also applied to Slavs."

Uh...and how does this disprove my point that southern Europeans were dicriminated against, genius? If anything, it only proves that Slavs were discriminated as well.

Somehow, I tend to think that a Protestant American of Italian descent (cf the Virginia Taliaferro family, one of the FFVs)would have not had much difficulty. You seriously underestimate the role of anti-Catholic sentiment."

Irish Catholic John Fitzgerald Kennedy had no problem becoming president despite being a Catholic. You = disproven.

"Really? The American people seem to have no difficulty regarding Christian Arabs like Ralph Nader and John Sununu as White..."

That's because most don't know that they are of Arabic descent. Go to Cincinnati or Memphis or any other place in middle American and ask a crowd of random white people if they think Arabs are white.

"People seem to have no trouble looking at mixed-race Halle Berry and seeing a Black woman. A lot of South Asians are as White-looking as Halle Berry is Black-looking.South Asians overlap with Caucasoids/West Eurasians on a lot of metrics."

To most people, race is about phenotype and not genotype. Hence, Asian Indians are not literally white to most people, even if genetically they are a lot closer to white people than to East Asians.

"Good to know that you are a mind reader."

Uh...he has admitted it HIMSELF. I love conservatives like you. You truly honor the stereotype.

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IHTG said...

This troll seems awfully familiar...

Anonymous said...

"I would argue that Arabs are not 'white' by any classical measure and - although they seem to admire light features, especially in women - most Arabs would probably resent being thrown in with Europeans as whities."

There is no single kind of Arab. It's like 'Hispanic'.

ben tillman said...

"For example, consider Xochitl Hinojosa. She may look and live like the affluent and fashion-conscious young white lady she is, but she earned her paycheck as the Obama Justice Department Civil Rights division's Aztec warrior princess / spokesmodel."

No, she is of Spanish(Spaniard) descent.


Hinojosas in Texas are generally of Sephardic Jewish descent.

Anonymous said...

@ anon 8/25/12 2:07 AM

What are the chances of a gentile being elected president of Israel in 2012?? HMM,,, maybe,,,ZERO..

Do you think in Spanish countries protestants or Anglos (northern Europeans in general) might not have been as accepted as the Spanish and their descendants?

Every people in humanity favor their own, that is quite natural. But, people only have a problem with that if it is done by white Americans. Why is that, possibly a deeper seeded, hateful reason??

Anonyia said...

"Historically, southern Europeans such as Castilians and Lombards are not regarded as "white" by Americans. When Americans say "white", they use it as a term that is analogous and synonymous with "Anglo-Saxon", or at least northern European. That means northern European phenotype of blonde hair and blue eyes or ariations on the theme - to paraphrase Haydn."

This is stupid. Most anglo-saxons are brunettes, and just as likely to have brown/hazel/green eyes as blue. There was no historical "blond" privilege in America other than people thinking it was nice to look at. There has never been a population of universally blond-haired people. And there was no serious discrimination against southern europeans. It was fashionable in the old South to claim French ancestry, in fact.

Cornelius said...

With their current strategy, Republicans would be idiots to let in more Hispanics. I write this as a Hispanic libertarian who believes a country can't call itself free unless it has a free market. And a free market requires the free movement of labor.

Republicans COULD have won the Hispanic vote a long time ago, using a divide and conquer strategy or just playing on the fact that most Hispanics feel much more kinship with white people than they do with blacks. Add religious conservatism into the mix and most Hispanics would have been sold.

Sometimes private organizations classify Hispanic as a race and only let you choose one on demographic forms. That ignorance really annoys me. Who really believes that Sammy Sosa and Andy Garcia are the same race?

ben tillman said...

The USA will be a so-called 'minority-majority' nation (the oxymoron to end all oxymorons), in very short order, only 30 years or so hence from now.

More like 12-15 years from now. We're at about 58% White right now.

ben tillman said...

If your thesis was true then the Eskimos, Siberians, Mongolians etc of today should have the highest IQs. But that is not the case, is it?

You're not paying attention, so you don't even know what the thesis is. Recurrent winters -- and the need to plan ahead for them -- produce intelligence in a way that permanent winters do not.

ben tillman said...

Historically, southern Europeans such as Castilians and Lombards are not regarded as "white" by Americans.

Yet an Arab-American like Robert Khayat played football at all-White Ole Miss in the late 1950's, and Zippy Morocco was a football and basketball star at Georgia in the earlu 1950's. And then there's Charlie Trippi (Italian), another football star at Georgia in the 1940's.

Anonymous said...

Amerindians are absolute geniuses compared to West African

Then why according to the latest ACT tests they score about the same?

Compare the accomplishments of African-Americans to American-Indians. Whose look more impressive?

Anonymous said...

Recurrent winters -- and the need to plan ahead for them -- produce intelligence in a way that permanent winters do not.

North America does not have permanent winters. Why didn't the native americans create any civilizations like the Amerindians of central America who had no winters to plan ahead for?

Anonymous said...

A professorship at a university is not a position of political power.

That shark is jumped.

Anonymous said...

Hinojosas in Texas are generally of Sephardic Jewish descent.

A citation please? And it would be very unlikely for the descendants to be purebloods unless they watched their lineage extremely carefully and inbred extensively for 400 years. Even Linda Chavez' family in New Mexico, who attempted that strategy, didn't quite manage.

Anonymous said...

"Yet historically both the europeans (Greeks and Romans) and the Asians (Chinese, Indians etc) have considered the people of the far north as barbarians...All of the earliest human civilizations arose in the hot south. Clearly your model is flawed."

1) There isn't just one division between the cold north and hot south. Winter seasons start outside the tropics. The early human civilizations were outside the tropics i.e. people from the tropics moved outside into the mid latitudes and got smarter.

2) Latitude isn't the only factor. If you have a civilization with a lot of specialization then you get a heirarchy of jobs, competition partially based on IQ and thereby selection for IQ. A more "barbarian" type culture doesn't have that level of specialization and subsequent competition on IQ.

3) The spread of civilization requires the spread of high density agriculture first and it took a long time for high density agriculture to be viable in northern europe because of the climate.

So the sequence might have been:

1) Population A in the tropics.

2) Population B splits off and moves out of tropics into the mid-latitudes.

3a) Population B get smarter from the winter effect and start creating civilizations.
3b) Population C splits off and moves into the northern latitudes.

4a) Smarter population B start creating civilizations and (at least the top caste) get smarter from the greater competition.
4b) Population C get smarter from harsher winters but don't get the civilization effect yet.

5) Eventually technology, seeds, techniques etc improve to the point where high-density agriculture becomes viable in the north and the competitive effects of civilization start to add to the base northern IQ leading to industrial revolution.

I think it's more complicated than that but overall it's the combination of the physical environment and the man-made cultural environment.

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"But American-Indians whose ACT scores are similar to african-americans are descended from mongoloids living in more northern latitudes than the high IQ Cantonese."

In terms of the simple model above American Indians would have got the mid-latitude IQ bonus but not the 2-3 millenia civilization bonus the East Asians have had and at the same time African Americans score higher than tropical Africans because they're partly northern latitude white. So being on a par isn't surprising.

Matthew said...

"The writing is on the wall politically - it is Whites on one side and non-Whites on the other. Period. I thought that the Asians might vote our way too, long ago, but it's obvious that is a pipe dream."

The idea is to create as many groups as possible who feel they are not part of, have no stake in, the dominant, traditional, quasi-Christian, European culture. That used to include pretty much everyone but blacks and Jews. Today it includes "Hispanics" (50 million strong), gays, many women, Asians, and any other person who wants to pride themselves as different - not to mention pretty much anyone who leeches off the welfare state.

Republicans must staunch this flow, somehow - bring at least one of these groups back into the party. But the GOP has done nothing that would do that - they really don't care about the coarsening of the culture, or the weakening bonds of marriage (married white women are more Republican than single white men), and they certianly don't care about reducing immigration or securing the border. All they can be reliably counted on to do is cut taxes for the rich and cut business regulation, in a way that leads to things like the hosuing bubble.

DaveinHackensack said...

Steve,

Why do you suppose Obama is leading Romney in the polls, despite the awful economy? Is it because Romney is such a weak candidate, or is it possible that demographics have tilted the field so far against the GOP already?

Anonymous said...

is it possible that demographics have tilted the field so far against the GOP already?

The GOP can probably still eek out a narrow victory in 2012.

But circa 2016/2020, it's going to become very, very difficult.

Anonymous said...

"Why do you suppose Obama is leading Romney in the polls, despite the awful economy? Is it because Romney is such a weak candidate, or is it possible that demographics have tilted the field so far against the GOP already?"

America is already past the balkanization tipping point and while the Democrats operate in that reality - they explicitly represent the interests of their faction - the Republicans don't.

However it's not because the field has tipped *against* the GOP too much. They don't operate as a faction in a balkanized state - explicitly (even if codedly) representing the interests of their faction - because they're not loyal to that faction. They're loyal to their billionaire funders and their billionaire funders want the same thing as the Democrat's billionaire funders - to drive wages and living standards down to Chinese levels using mass immigration.

The GOP aren't being blind and / or stupid. They're actively betraying the interests of their voters in favor of the interests of their funders.

(The Democrats are actually doing the same thing but it's less obvious i.e. they may want to give blacks more welfare but at the same they're taking jobs away from them through immigration. When eventually the vast mass of poor people imported to drive down wages makes welfare unaffordable then Democrat voters may realise they were betrayed too.)

Anonymous said...

If the GOP can restore its aura of competence it could begin winning back SWPLs and Asians. Hispanics and blacks vote 70% and 90% Democrat, respectively. A 65-70% share of the white vote isn't entirely unrealistic.

Slashing government spending (including welfare and ag subsidies), reducing the defense department, securing the borders, eliminating affirmative action and quotas - there may be too many groups it would have to piss of to do this, but it's possible.

But yes, post-2016 it gets worse. If we fall off the fiscal cliff rather than slide slowly into poverty we may have a revolution on our hands.