July 3, 2012

Liberal hateaholics with poor reading comprehension skills

The online comments about this New York Times article were quite interesting: 
Tension for East Hampton as Immigrants Stream In 
By ELIZABETH A. HARRIS 
When one thinks of the Hamptons, what jumps to mind are masters of the universe and their mansions by the sea. But a strong, steady stream of immigrants has been flowing to the area for years, drawn by a service economy that demands hedges be trimmed and houses be cleaned. In the Springs, a hamlet in the town of East Hampton, where most of the houses are small and the year-round population is relatively large, the Hispanic population has tripled in the past 10 years — and tension has emerged. 
Some longtime residents of the Springs and similar areas complain that homes are being illegally crowded, that houses with half a dozen cars parked outside are a blight on the street, and that the many children living inside are overwhelming the local schools and causing property taxes to rise. ...
The pockets of tension are concentrated in year-round communities, where the immigrants, legal and illegal, tend to live alongside the landscapers and the contractors with whom they are competing for business. These areas are far less affluent than the southern end of town, where Manhattanites spend the summer by the ocean, in homes hidden behind 12-foot hedges. 
“South of the highway, the rich people, they don’t care,” said Ricardo Rodriguez, a carpenter from Colombia who has lived in East Hampton for 12 years. It is among “the working people, regular people like us,” he continued, where less welcoming sentiments can be found. “You can feel it.” 
Most of the houses on the leafy, winding roads of the Springs are small, well kept but simple. Pickup trucks and modest cars are parked in driveways under fluttering American flags. Home prices and rents are relatively low. Most Springs residents are white, but according to the 2010 census, 37 percent are Hispanic. 
Mr. Lynch and others who have raised the issue of crowded houses — at Town Board meetings or in property owner association newsletters — say it has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, but rather enforcement of existing codes that designate homes for single-family use. If a house is crammed with several families, they say, or occupied like a rooming house, that can hurt a whole street. Or when neighbors pack houses full of children, their critics complain of ending up shouldering an unfair portion of the school tax burden. 
“This is really about property values and the neighborhood,” said Carol Saxe Buda, who helped begin a group called Unoccupy Springs about a year and a half ago to address crowding. 
“A substantial number of illegally occupied homes reflect a certain community,” she added, referring to immigrants, but she emphasized that where the residents came from was never the reason her group singled out a home. The group’s members highlight only places that are, by their crowding, straining the local schools or threatening neighboring property values, she said. “We report houses that are problems," she said. “We don’t care who’s in them.” 
The East Hampton housing code allows no more than four unrelated people, or one family, to occupy a single-family home, and town officials acknowledge that crowding does exist. They receive a few complaints each week, most frequently in the Springs, and some of those do result in violations. And the deputy town supervisor, Theresa K. Quigley, said the Springs had some of the highest per-acre taxes around. 
Nonetheless, some residents, including Ms. Quigley, say the objections are more sinister. “The people who came to the Town Board insist there is nothing racial intended,” said Ms. Quigley, who was born and raised in the Hamptons. “They say they’re talking about overcrowding, but they’re talking about Latinos.” 

Interestingly, the initial commenters on this article were largely liberal hateaholics who raged against the racist white Republican one percenters in beachfront mansions depicted in the article as protesting against illegal immigration. Over time, though, the comments section filled up with reasoned rebuttals from immigration restrictionists pointing out the horrible reading comprehension skills the early comments displayed.

Yet, the bigger point is that the useful concept of the white rich and the diverse poor teaming up to squeeze the middle in the name of fighting racism (e.g., Angelo Mozilo of Countrywide handing out $700,000 subprime mortgages to strawberry pickers to get rich while battling redlining) is simply not a part of the conceptual vocabulary of all but the most sophisticated thinkers today.
This spring, some residents went to a Town Board meeting waving giant photographs of homes they said were over-occupied, Ms. Quigley recounted, and threatening to compile and publicize a list of every one of those homes they could find. Ms. Quigley made a comment to a person nearby comparing the sentiments in the room to the rise of Nazism. That comment was picked up by a microphone and it soon typhooned into a controversy. 
Last week, she refused to back down from the comparison. 
“How, how, how could a country do what they did?” Ms. Quigley, who has lived in Germany, asked of that country’s past. “I don’t have an answer, but I can tell you one thing: It’s a series of little steps. It doesn’t happen in a huge bang. And it happens by targeting a group for your problems.” 
East Hampton, she continued, “is a great place to live, but we have troubles.” 
“People tend to blame the Latino community for their troubles,” she added. “Doesn’t that sound a little familiar? Like blaming the Jews for troubles in Germany.” 
Fred Weinberg, a member of the Unoccupy Springs group who was at that Town Board meeting, said that as a Jewish man, he found the remarks extremely offensive, and he demanded Ms. Quigley’s resignation. She did not oblige or apologize. 

Where could Ms. Quigley possibly have gotten the idea that citizens petitioning their elected officials for enforcement of laws broken by illegal aliens is starting America down the slippery slope to Auschwitz? From reading New York Times editorials, quite possibly.
Today he continues to work on the issues of crowding, he said, though he prefers to work away from Ms. Quigley when possible. 
“I know there are people who probably are racist,” Mr. Weinberg said. “But it’s not me, it’s not Carol Buda, it’s not any of the people that I know who have been trying to work on this problem. We just want them, very simply, to enforce the law and protect our community.”

Well, lots of luck with that you, admitted allies of racists and, no doubt, proto-Nazis. The War on Racists is the most important thing in the whole world (except when its the War on Homophobes), so you'd better take about 20 or 30 years off to first purge all racists from the ranks of your supporters, before anybody respectable will listen to you.

Seriously, working class folks have to learn that the way you keep undesirable out of your neighborhood is by never ever mentioning them (unless they are white). No, you keep out people you don't want around by advocating for the environment. 

For example, a few decades ago, some developer wanted to put up working class housing in the Hamptons in an area that the Masters of the Universe considered too close to their summer houses. One day, a pond on the site was suddenly discovered to be home to a bucketful of a certain species of small fish (?) listed as endangered by the State of New York ... but not by the EPA because the fish was common in the Carolinas. In fact, it was so common down south that you could place an order over the phone with a Carolina bait shop to Fed Ex you a bucket full of the live fish, which you could then pour into the pond one evening.

35 comments:

David Davenport said...

Angelo Mozilo is entirely white?

Steve Sailer said...

Judging from how orange Mozilo is, I'd guess he's part-Oompa-Loompa.

Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_Men

Is this worth reading?

Anonymous said...

"The pockets of tension are concentrated in year-round communities, where the immigrants, legal and illegal, tend to live alongside the landscapers and the contractors with whom they are competing for business."

ILLEGAL??? You mean 'undocumented'. Btw, when is Sailer gonna lead the undocumented student takeover of Harvard?

Anonymous said...

Jews like Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin had a sense of theater and theatrics, and so they made their agendas fun and captivating. Anglo-conservatives, in contrast, have ideas but don't turn them into street theater, happenings, or events.

This is why Jews win, Anglos lose.

I say Sailer lead the "undocumented student takeover of Harvard" movement.

Thrasymachus said...

The rich and the slaves against the working class goes back to Tiberius Gracchus.

Let's be real, though- if you are opposed to a behavior only practiced by one race, is it not unreasonable to conclude you are racist? You might be opposed to white Americans living three families to a house, but white Americans never do that, so you can't prove that you are. In the end, the things I hate are either done by minorities, or much more by minorities, so I'm willing to be called a racist.

Anonymous said...

"Jews like Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin had a sense of theater and theatrics, and so they made their agendas fun and captivating. Anglo-conservatives, in contrast, have ideas but don't turn them into street theater, happenings, or events."

Nietzche said the same: As for the Jews, the people who possess the art of adaptability par excellence, [my line of argument] suggests immediately that one might see them virtually as a world-historical arrangement for the production of actors, a veritable breeding ground for actors. And it really is time to ask: What good actor today is not — a Jew? The Jew as a born Litterat [‘man of letters’], as the true master of the European press, also exercises his power by virtue of his theatrical gifts; for the man of letters is essentially an actor: he plays the ‘expert,’ the ‘specialist.’

Anonymous said...

The rich and the slaves against the working class goes back to Tiberius Gracchus.

LOL. Um, no. You have it wrong. You're trying to reference the Gracchi brothers to sound smart but you have the history wrong.

The Gracchi brothers lead populist revolts of the working class, ex-soldiers, small private independent farmers, etc. against the rich landowners who used slaves to farm their lands.

Anonymous said...

Destroying wages, neighborhoods, schools, and communities. What's not to like?

Can Howard Stern really afford to pay his gardener $20 an hour and buy health insurance for him? Hell no!

Can you imagine Jerry Seinfeld or Billy Joel mowing their lawn, much less making their own breakfast?

The rich must play and the Hamptons' working class will pay.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sailor, your comment about the fish (rare on eastern L.I., not rare in the Carolinas)brought back some memories about the Tiger Salamander, an exquisitely sensitive and rare (because it was on the edge of its territory on L.I., although common in the South) species. This unattractive critter was used repeatedly back in the 80's and 90's by Democrats and professional NGO environmentalists (the Long Island Pine Barrens Society, among others) to justify restrictions on lands proposed for development in Suffolk County. Whenever a property owner filed a site plan or subdivision in eastern Brookhaven Township, someone would immediately find a Salamander on the property. The suspicion among developers was that these little devils were being brought up from the Carolinas to "salt" the property.
I guess there is nothing new under the sun.

Steve Sailer said...

Yeah, I imagine the tiger salamander is what I was remembering as a "fish."

Anonymous said...

"This is why Jews win, Anglos lose."

And this comment relates to the article how exactly?

...Speaking of hateaholics with poor reading comprehension skills.

Anonymous said...

We just want them, very simply, to enforce the law and protect our community.”

"Code words" "dog whistling" -except in Israel.

While we recognize the complexity involved in properly addressing this issue, and sympathize with Israeli citizens whose personal security has been compromised by the lawlessness and violence of some migrants...
The role of Israeli law enforcement officials is vital in ensuring the safety of all, controlling lawlessness and violence and enforcing the rule of law.- Abe Foxman

Anonymous said...

Cries of 'racist' are simply the modern equivalent to those of yore shouting 'witch'.

Nick G

Daniel said...

As promised, many of the comments at the original article are quite pathetic, typical brain-dead liberal chatter. Plenty of 'those poor brown people, how dare whitey complain?'. No looking at what those poor brown people are doing, or the impact on anyone else living there. Makes you wonder if there is a '50 cent party' of liberal commentators operating in the US.

Anonymous said...

A jewish friend from New jersey told me that in his neighbourhood (near Princeton) they passed and enforced the bylaws on numbers of residents in home specifically to keep orthodox jews from moving in.

He told me that in fact his worst problems as a secular jew came from the orthodox.

sideways said...

Looking at school stats, it doesn't sound like illegals. 44% Hispanic at the pk-8 school, 0% qualify for free or reduced price lunch, 7% limited English proficiency. On the other hand, English scores are significantly worse than math.

Anonymous said...

I am sorry to hear that the political class on L.I. is still contemptuous of the middle class. It has been said before, but the Dem politicians treat illegal immigrants like a constituency, (which in a way they are).
My first knowledge of the illegal alien problem came when I was working for Brookhaven Town, and we received a complaint of a house in the Farmingville area occupied by approximately 20+ Mexican men (they slept in shifts).Forget about the normal problems you'd expect living next door to a house designed for occupancy by 4-5 people, and actually occupied by 20+ young men (the vibrancy must have been intense), the complaint came because the home's owner, being thrifty, had not fixed/pumped the cesspool when it filled up, and the Mexicans were digging holes in the backyard to use as field toilets.
A little bit of Tijuana next door!

Anonymous said...

east hampton is very very very very Jewish.
South hampton used to be WASP but no more...

Anonymous said...

"For example, a few decades ago, some developer wanted to put up working class housing in the Hamptons in an area that the Masters of the Universe considered too close to their summer houses. One day, a pond on the site was suddenly discovered to be home to a bucketful of a certain species of small fish (?) listed as endangered by the State of New York ... but not by the EPA because the fish was common in the Carolinas. In fact, it was so common down south that you could place an order over the phone with a Carolina bait shop to Fed Ex you a bucket full of the live fish, which you could then pour into the pond one evening."

Is it still that way, because I could see environmental terrorists basically playing hell with the state on that basis.

Anonymous said...

“Doesn’t that sound a little familiar? Like blaming the scots-irish for troubles in Germany.”

Great political debates of the century.

Anonymous said...

"Fred Weinberg, a member of the Unoccupy Springs group who was at that Town Board meeting, said that as a scots-irish man, he found the remarks extremely offensive"

LOL the problem isn't the "melting pot", but the blanda-upping of the great historical narrative.

Rohan Swee said...

Fred Weinberg, a member of the Unoccupy Springs group who was at that Town Board meeting, said that as a Jewish man, he found the remarks extremely offensive, and he demanded Ms. Quigley’s resignation. She did not oblige or apologize.

If even dim-witted hateaholics (wonderful coinage, btw) like Ms. Quigley have figured out to neither oblige, nor apologize, why can't intelligent, rational restrictionists?

ben tillman said...

“How, how, how could a country do what they did?” Ms. Quigley, who has lived in Germany, asked of that country’s past. “I don’t have an answer, but I can tell you one thing: It’s a series of little steps. It doesn’t happen in a huge bang.”

The one and only sine qua non for genocide is diversity. And, so far, she's right. Diversity has been forced upon us incrementally, in "little steps".

ben tillman said...

"The rich and the slaves against the working class goes back to Tiberius Gracchus."

LOL. Um, no. You have it wrong. You're trying to reference the Gracchi brothers to sound smart but you have the history wrong.

The Gracchi brothers lead populist revolts of the working class, ex-soldiers, small private independent farmers, etc. against the rich landowners who used slaves to farm their lands.


I believe you have just confirmed that the other commenter was right.

Aeoli Pera said...

Yet, the bigger point is that the useful concept of the white rich and the diverse poor teaming up to squeeze the middle in the name of fighting racism[...]is simply not a part of the conceptual vocabulary of all but the most sophisticated thinkers today.

You should find/coin a word for this concept and start using it often. It'll spread.

Try a sociologist. They talk about income distributions a lot.

Mr. Anon said...

A bunch of liberal middle-class New Yorkers realize that there some people they really don't want to live near. These people probably all used to sneer at southerners who didn't want blacks in their neighborhoods.

The most sympathetic response I can muster up is "f**k em'".

Anonymous said...

"Seriously, working class folks have to learn that the way you keep undesirable out of your neighborhood is by never ever mentioning them (unless they are white). No, you keep out people you don't want around by advocating for the environment."

This is very true. Here in Colorado is plays out like this -

You can critize people moving here from other parts of the US, (from California and Texas in particular (Don't Californicate Colorado being a familiar bumper sticker)), but never, ever, Mexican immigrants.

When the subject of illegal immigration comes up the correct responses are - they're the ones who are cleaning Tom Tancredo's building (at this comment all must laugh), remind everyone of your Irish forefathers who came here during the famine, and that's it.

It's ok to complain about sprawl and traffic and low performing schools, it's not ok to speculate on how immigration contributes to it.

idealart said...

The trouble with your strategy in the final two paras, Steve, is that its rear-guard. Useful for now but in a few decades when whites are no longer the majority it won't work. The new non-euros ain't gonna care about no stinkin' fishes, and throw out environmental laws or whatever white-guy "ideals" that get in their way.

Happy white man's independence day.

Anonymous said...

"Can Howard Stern really afford to pay his gardener $20 an hour and buy health insurance for him? Hell no!"

He can afford it. Willing to pay is another matter altogether.

Jack said...

The response to charges of "racism", "sexism" and "homophobia" needs to be amusement and a lack of legitimacy. These are leftist shaming words and mean nothing anymore, and need to be spoken of as such.

Anonymous said...

rememeber a few years ago when nantucket residents were shocked that they had a gang violence problem? but hey, its raccis to blame it immigration!

Time Machine ride said...

Eventually the call-my-rivals-Nazis tactic of Ms. Theresa K. Quigley, who "studied in Wuerzburg, West Germany and is proficient in German," will start to wear thin, if only because the idiocracy won't understand what it's supposed to mean. Surely in the multi-decade post-colonial civil wars of the Congo each side compared the other to fascism countless times? Wait, you're saying they didn't?

She looks to be in her early 50s at most, so the next generation of SWPL hack attorneys will need to cook up a more current metaphor of some kind.

needs more H1B visas plz said...

"ben tillman said...
[quot. commenter A: Tiberius Gracchus]

[quot. commenter B(?): "LOL" contradicts A]

I believe you have just confirmed that the other commenter was right"


Don't worry, with sufficient technological advance I'm sure the interwebs will cure these reading comprehension bugs!

true confessions said...

As promised, many of the comments at the original article are quite pathetic, typical brain-dead liberal chatter. Plenty of 'those poor brown people, how dare whitey complain?'. No looking at what those poor brown people are doing, or the impact on anyone else living there. Makes you wonder if there is a '50 cent party' of liberal commentators operating in the US.

Perhaps organizations like the SPLC hires people to do this. It's just hard to believe anyone could be so insane as to take the time & trouble to write in defense of people who basically eating our tax base, and contributing very little to it. I live in a liberal town outside DC, surrounded by "Latino" areas, and while they are not totally annihiliated war-zones, like black ghettos, they are nevertheless, not place where these liberals want to shop or hang out, or send their kids to school. Yet some among them argue that their town should not cringe from paying taxes to fund poor people to live in the apartment buildings. Some of the homeowners who lived near these buildings have protested at the shopping carts and trash that get left on their property, and the liberals who live a little farther aways blast her. It's hilariously insance. btw, this woman who is protesting is of Jewish origin with some admixture. Complicated. Anyway, she is outraged at how the apt. dwellers collect social benefits by living in a nice area, yet contribute NADA. When the neighbors get together to clean the creek, to these "poor browns and blacks" help (although they are the ones who throw all the trash.) NO. This woman thinks that no one should get welfare without being made to do something in return, some sort of community service. They shout her down and loudly proclaim their willingness to fork over their hard-earned taxes to support more people who don't pay much, if any taxes, to breed and drink beer, on their dime. Someday they will look back on this era and wonder at the insanity.