July 21, 2011

A not worthwhile Canadian initiative

Canada's population has been steadily growing due to immigration. It's now up to 34 million from 27 million in 1988. Immigrants have, not surprisingly, stayed away from Manitoba and Saskatchewan, while crowding into Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal. 

Canadian Liberal Party senior statesman Robert Kaplan enthusiastically explains in the Toronto Globe & Mail that tripling the population of Canada would be terrific for Canada's ruling caste.
Fulfilling Laurier's vision: A Canada of 100 million 
We don’t have enough people. The Liberals should stand today for a strategic immigration policy of reaching 100 million by 2100. 
If we become a nation of this size: 
1. Our culture would be less strained to survive. Our arts, books, magazines, newspapers, movies and music, electronic media, with more than triple the producers and consumers would become self-sustaining. They might even become better. Our comedians could be funnier. Our elusive search for definition as Canadians could be realized.

A Canadian = A random foreigner. 

The thinking behind this is that if the population of Canada were 100,000,000, then there would be lots of cool media jobs for funny Canadian Scotsmen and Jews, whose media products would be purchased (mandatorily, under the Canadian Content Quota laws) by the teeming new masses of unfunny Muslim immigrants.

He's a man with a plan!
2. Canadians could better take up our vast opportunities. Domestic markets that justify branch plant operations today could attract Canadian entrepreneurs from the start. We would be a serious stand-alone market. Truncation could be reversed. Foreign capital coming in would be more challenged by growing Canadian domestic capital. We could still welcome foreign investors, but we would give them more of a run for their money, and see our economy benefit.

It's hard to get a billion dollars in Canada, which peeves Canadians with merely a hundred million dollars.
3. On the world stage, our skills at exercising soft power by finding project partners and leading by example could be supplemented by some “hard” power. We could address and solve problems single handedly if we wanted. Our military could be comfortably triple its present size, as could our aid programmes.

Kaplan's view of existing Canadians is kind of like Gen. Douglas Haig's as he was planning the First Battle of the Somme in 1916: Canadians are okay, I guess, but they'd be better if they could provide more cannon  fodder.

Under Kaplan's plan, Canadian political leaders could, just like American leaders, decide, off the top of their heads, to invade or bomb countries they don't like. What's the fun of being a national leader if you don't get to shoot cruise missiles at  countries that annoy you?
4. We Canadians believe we stand for something good in the world, that we have some values and some institutions worth promoting in the interests of international social harmony, peace and prosperity. At 100 million, the world audience might be more alert.

Nobody ever pays attention to America Jr. 

Kaplan then explains that while global warming is all so sad for, say, Bangladeshis, Canada  should do all it in its power to speed it up. It's damn cold in Canada.
Before turning to some conditions of the strategic plank I recommend, two points need to be made. Firstly, Canada’s ecology is changing. We oppose global warming for good reasons and should continue to do so, but we can see it coming, and it brings certain advantages to Canada. We will have much more arable land and a much broader range of foods that we will be able to grow – foods that the world needs. This is already happening. More farmers are needed. Also Northern opportunity is becoming, and has become, viable. Northern waterways are now accessible eight months a year, a window that is increasing. We need cities up there, and people for them.

How's that working out in Siberia, anyway? Is Magnitogorsk a hot real estate market? A commenter responds:
So much for all our empty talk about sustainability and the environment.
Let's bring a bunch of people over from relatively low energy consumption countries and settle them in the frigid Great White North . . . with its need for central heating, long distances, and our addiction to energy consumpton - that ought to be great for that carbon footprint that the Liberals are so concerned about. I guess that greenhouse gases are only bad when its us Albertans who are generating them - everyone else is exempt - especially if they vote Liberal. 
How exactly does this fit with the supposedly "green" side of the Liberal party's platform?

Kaplan continues:
Secondly we should not ignore the growing world population and the growing number of refugees worldwide. It is not inconceivable that world organizations may begin telling us to increase what we now consider to be a generous immigration policy. Today’s limits are stingy for us. We could get ahead of this and gain world respect for doing so. ...

We would also probably need to direct some immigrants and commit them to stay somewhere for periods of as much as 10 years. We would do this to hold support for the policy in our “crowded” cities, to satisfy some provinces as to their proportionate place in Confederation and to prepare for the optimum population distribution for our long-term opportunities. The natural preference some immigrants might have to be, for example, near their existing ethnic community in Canada might need to be challenged. Are there potential immigrants willing to accept such conditions? The fact is that there are hundreds of millions of them. Permission to come to Canada could be the greatest event for their family in its history, as it was for most of us. Such immigrants would not be subjected to the isolation of many of our foreparents, where a young couple could be completely alone on the Prairies, miles from other humans for months at a time. With the Internet, Skype, radio and television, there would be a lot to compensate for accepting conditions.

So, the idea is to round up all the new Bangladeshi immigrants each time they sneak back to their cousins' neighborhood in Toronto and send them back to their Gulag encampments in Moose Jaw and Medicine Hat. Yeah, I can see that working out. A commenter responds:
He may envisage forcibly filling Saskatchewan or Inuvik with immigrants, but it would be immediately challenged to the Supreme Court, probably successfully. Thereafter, Toronto's borders and traffic jams, already the continent's worst, would continue to grow. 

Another commenter writes:
Oh Bob, dear Bob,  
Do you really think it's possible to increase the amount of arable land by merely raising the temperature of the air? Ah, if only it were so simple. Vast tracts of the country are covered by the boreal forest, which for the most part sits on a thin layer of acidic soil, which in turn rests on bedrock. Canadian Shield that is, Bob. Good luck getting your plough to penetrate solid granite. Good luck getting wheat or corn to germinate in acidic soil. And even if by some miracle you solve those problems, what happens if climate change makes Canada's climate drier? Ask any Canadian farmer, in the middle of this heat wave, if he'd prefer drier conditions. Anyone for drought, Bob? 
And I see that you also want to build big cities way up north? On permafrost? [They'd sink.] Bob, that's where I stopped reading. That's where I decided that your article is nothing more than a very late April Fools' joke. 

The 321 comments are pretty funny.

89 comments:

kurt9 said...

Liberal-left people are like 6 year old kids. They just bubble over with all sorts of cool ideas that have no grounding in reality. Then, they get petulant when others criticize and refuse to back their ideas.

Anonymous said...

Steve
let's all agree that the idea of canada accepting a hundred million immigrants is not so great.

Let's also assume that no one will listen to those that are against immigration.

Let's assume that over the next 50 years there will be massive immigration in to Canada and also massive immigration in to the USA

My understanding is that the Canadian government believes in HBD more than the US government and as such Canada gets more high IQ immigrants, as a percentage, than the US does.

Has anyone published the average IQ of US immigrants recently (including legal and illegal) and compared it to the average IQ of Canadian immigrants?

I would assume using very rough numbers that immigrants to the US have an average IQ of 88 and immigrants to Canada have an average IQ of 106

That would mean that 100 years from now the average IQ of Canada as a nation will be dramatically higher than the average IQ of the USA as a nation.

Anyone done the calculations? Seem to be crucial for decisions such as, where to live, where to invest etc

Anonymous said...

He's also under that idiotic liberal magical spell that assumes the following: That every new immigrant will be just exactly like every other productive, hard-working Canadian extant at present. Because obviously that's working out so well everywhere else that it's tried.

Chief Seattle said...

Perhaps "we" should give the refugees the choice of Israel with its Mediterranean climate or Canada with its wide open spaces. Then both countries would have a shot at being world powers. How does that sound, Mr. Kaplan?

Marlowe said...

Canada: an icy wilderness & wasteland no one wants which probably explains why it remains unconquered aside from the invasion of white Europeans who were the only people crazy enough to do it. Come to think of it, whites were crazy enough to invade & conquer Africa as well - a disease ridden, jungle infested continent full of black people no one wants (except Whites). White people had this real thing for a while about travelling vast distances to god forsaken parts of the Earth and planting flags there & ruling over the natives. We even went to Antarctica a freezing emptiness which makes Canada seem interesting. And the Moon, which makes Antarctica look like Canada. Other races such as the Chinese were more sensible. Only the Japs seemed to catch the white man's fever at the end of the 19th century and they quickly thought better of it and realized it was the one part of European civilisation not worth emulating. Does it have something to do with the Faustian drive identified by Spengler? The desire on the part of whites to break ourselves against the shores of infinity, attempting the impossible, such as constructing cities inside the Arctic circle or colonies on Mars.

kurt9 said...

Just say that liberal-left people are idiots and leave it at that.

Wilfred Laurier said...

Here is the Wikipedia article on this guy. He seems like a major sleaze:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kaplan

To be fair to Canadians, the Liberal Party, which governed the country as recently as 2006, was pushed into a poor third place in the last election with 37 seats (out of 308) because of too many clowns like this in their leadership ranks. The new major party on the left, the New Democrats, used to be thought of as the "looney left" but I don't think they came up with anything like this. Don't treat it as representative of what other Canadians are thinking.

Anonymous said...

That's the true north of stupidity.

Anonymous said...

Marlowe,
that was one of the deeper comments I've read from the iSteve crowd. However, in trying the project of making the peoples of the world all into nice little white folks, we may have tried to break ourselves on one infinity too far.

-osvaldo M.

Anonymous said...

A Canadian = A random foreigner

Has to piss off liberals at how funny you are....

Dan in Dc

Anonymous said...

A Canadian = A random foreigner

Has to piss off liberals at how funny you are....

Dan in Dc

Mark said...

A guy named Bob Kaplan suggested this? Let's try it in Israel first, and see how it works out.

eh said...

1. Our culture would be less strained to survive.

So the plan is to bring in tens of millions of non-Canadians, and by doing so their culture -- Canadian culture I presume, such as it is -- will be 'less strained to survive'? I don't get that. I guess I might as well go further and say that it seems absolutely ludicrous to me.

Anonymous said...

France has millions of Muslims who speak (some) French that it's looking to get rid of. Why not ship them all to Canada? Canada could be the new Georgia or Australia of unwanted peoples. As long as America starts protecting her north border as well she she protects her southern one, it won't affect us at all. On top of that, there would be a ton of nice new French-Muslim restaurants just across the border. What could possibly go wr- BOOM!

Mark said...

I think it's nice, though, that one Leftist politician is finally admitting what his ultimate goal would be. Let people stare aghast at the thought of 100 million Canadians. It's where the open borders nuts were headed anyway. Nice to know that one is acknowledging it.

I do like this comment though, to Kaplan's suggestion that global warming will increase Canada's agricultural output: "Vast tracts of the country are covered by the boreal forest, which for the most part sits on a thin layer of acidic soil, which in turn rests on bedrock. Canadian Shield that is, Bob. Good luck getting your plough to penetrate solid granite."

I like it because I'm laughing hysterically at the notion that Kaplan - who was raised in Toronto, educated in Toronto, practice law in Toronto, and had his political career in Toronto - has ever picked up a plow.

Anonymous said...

"Does it have something to do with the Faustian drive identified by Spengler? The desire on the part of whites to break ourselves against the shores of infinity, attempting the impossible, such as constructing cities inside the Arctic circle or colonies on Mars."

Great couple of lines there, Marlowe. Although it may be getting a little deep. ;0)

Anonymous said...

This is a rant disguised as analysis. For one thing, most Canadian immigrants are not muslims, it's quite an eclectic bunch consisting of Europeans, Asians, and some muslims.

Anonymous said...

Go walk around Toronto or Vancouver. You'll see that this statement "A Canadian = A random foreigner" is already true. No thanks.

Anonymous said...

Jews have absolutely no regard for nature, for the outdoors, for space..

Anonymous said...

it's amazing that liberals everywhere are now pushing this - in the UK , US, ect.. and they also have something else in common, they are all urban jews.

Matra said...

This Kaplan guy is almost as optimistic as the always upbeat Michael Barone. In his latest article Barone says young Hispanics are sceptical of big government:

Some analysts have portrayed Hispanics as part of a single “people of color” voting bloc, but in 2008 and even more in 2010 they voted more like whites than like blacks. The latest numbers from Gallup, in May, showed Hispanic approval of Obama down to 57%, much closer to whites (41%) than blacks (91%).

A sparsely populated Canada of the future will never prosper as long as the USA is getting all the entrepreneurial anti-big government Hispanics!

Anonymous said...

"I guess that greenhouse gases are only bad when its us Albertans who are generating them - everyone else is exempt - especially if they vote Liberal."

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

rightsaidfred said...

It is the sort of piece where every line tells a story, every line is mockable.

I like this one:

We could get ahead of this and gain world respect for doing so

So that's what it's about, eh, Mr. Kaplan? World respect? I suspect the world will astound you with its disrespect.

djbudds said...

Look at the Toronto City Council.

http://app.toronto.ca/im/council/councillors.jsp

44 members, about three Asians and one black, the rest white (a surprisingly large number of Italians). The elite in Canada is unaffected by the immigration because, quite wisely, they've persued a divide and you won't be conquered strategy).

By the way, the mayor of the City of the Good is Rob Ford, a part-time HS football coach who ran on the slogan "stop the gravy train." His amusing campaign ad is below, notice the dance music. Some gay city councillors had been discovered paying for parties with tax dollars. He got elected by appealing to the anti-homosexual attitudes of many Sikh and other immigrant groups.

Anonymous said...

Chief Seattle makes a good point!

Israeli Arab Peace will happen when Gaza and Palestine is Open To All Immigrants!!!

Don't you see...we should declare all that land "Multicultural" so that NO ONE has a claim on it!!

This is a great idea!!!

Anonymous said...

There is an easy solution to this. Canada should take all the illegals in the US. It should also run ads in Mexico: 'skip the US and come here!'

Anonymous said...

Anyone know this guy's stance Israel>

what i would like to see is ultimate liberal stance; Whites, don't have kids, adapt, and reduce your carbon footprint so we can make room for more immigrants.

Is it just me or does it seem that the left is going further and further out of touch with reality, as if, when confronted with any upsetting facts, they apt for a more fantastical solution/?

Anonymous said...

Immigrants, at least in the last decades, were mostly invited in by the Liberal party who had discovered most immigrants voted for them. As a white Canadian whose family came here 370 years ago, I must admit it hasn't worked out that bad. Two main problems: Muslim immigrants who have discovered just how lucrative it is to have LOTS of kids under Canada's social umbrellas. Also, of course, those wonderful people from Haiti, Jamaica, Somalia, Nigeria,etc. who make sure every city they're inhabiting in any significant number sees it's violent crime ratio double.

Must be because of all those slaves in Canadian winter logging camps.

Geoff Matthews said...

The guy is an idiot, but I do want to speak up in defense of Medicine Hat. It's no colder there than Chicago or Denver during the winter. It's only about an hour from the US border and has a population of ~60,000.

Moose Jaw though? That place is brutal (but an iconic name).

Medicine Hat sits on some massive deposits of natural gas. My yearbook has the CH4 molecule on the cover. When I was growing up, the motto was "The City with Gas."

No joke.

elvisd said...

Yet another reason why conservationists need to unhitch themselves from the loony left.

Anonymous said...

Immigration levels should be decided via national referendums.

Anonymous said...

Go walk around Toronto or Vancouver. You'll see that this statement "A Canadian = A random foreigner" is already true. No thanks.

Toronto & Vancouver = natives and foreigners, random and otherwise, with lisps

Anonymous said...

Some analysts have portrayed Hispanics as part of a single “people of color” voting bloc, but in 2008 and even more in 2010 they voted more like whites than like blacks. The latest numbers from Gallup, in May, showed Hispanic approval of Obama down to 57%, much closer to whites (41%) than blacks (91%).



I've lost all respect for Barone, and this sort of nonsense is the reason why. He acts like a paid propagandist for the Chamber of Commerce. Probably that's what he is.

Hey, it's just great that Hispanics are not as far left as blacks (97% for Obama) or Jews (80% for Obama). But Hispanics have never, ever, voted for conservatism or even for the Republican Party. It would be a sign of wisom on the part of Barone to wait until they do so before pretending they are .... Italians.

57% approval for Obama is a horrible number from a Republican standpoint. What matters is that they're on the wrong side of the half-way point, not that they're further away from 91% then 41%.

And the poll Barone cited? An online poll! If those were reliable Ron Paul would be President.

Andrew said...

The Canadians could just outlaw birth control and they would probably have 100 million people in 50 years.

PLUS they would be actual Canadians.

TGGP said...

Canada's immigration record has been pretty good.

Anonymous said...

What about the environment?

Anonymous said...

anyone think that bob kaplan actually cares about Canada or Canadians? (as we think of canadians)

John Standos said...

Last year, Irvin Studin also suggested tripling Canada's population. And that isn't the only thing he has in common with Mr. Kaplan.

Has Mr. Kaplan read the not so shocking report a few months back in the National Post about the average immigrant costing Canadians $6,000 a year? Canadian taxpayers are funding their dispossession, some rather gleefully.

ben tillman said...

He's also under that idiotic liberal magical spell that assumes the following: That every new immigrant will be just exactly like every other productive, hard-working Canadian extant at present. Because obviously that's working out so well everywhere else that it's tried.

As always, we can put his professed belief in the fungibility of humans to the test: if he will let me spend his bank account, drive his car, live in his house, and sleep with his wife, we will find that he actually believes what he asks Canadians to accept.

Otherwise, not.

Anonymous said...

Could Canada get a few tens of millions of people from Yankees migrating north after America Sr. consumes itself?

Anonymous said...

Uh, Canada's immigration system is very different from the US's. I think it will work out okay for them.

In Canada, they actively encourage high skill immigration, and let in very few poor peasants. In the US we actively discourage high skill immigration and let it millions of peasants through the back door and and millions of their relatives through the front door.

If you're a doctor or engineer educated at a top school who has enough skills and money to support himself, immigrating to Canada is about as easy as filling out a form and doing a background check. Immigrating to the US with that background is a years-long hellish nightmare of a process, even if you have a 6 figure job lined up.

Anonymous said...

Canada: an icy wilderness & wasteland no one wants which probably explains why it remains unconquered aside from the invasion of white Europeans who were the only people crazy enough to do it. Come to think of it, whites were crazy enough to invade & conquer Africa as well - a disease ridden, jungle infested continent full of black people no one wants (except Whites). White people had this real thing for a while about travelling vast distances to god forsaken parts of the Earth and planting flags there & ruling over the natives. We even went to Antarctica a freezing emptiness which makes Canada seem interesting. And the Moon, which makes Antarctica look like Canada. Other races such as the Chinese were more sensible. Only the Japs seemed to catch the white man's fever at the end of the 19th century and they quickly thought better of it and realized it was the one part of European civilisation not worth emulating. Does it have something to do with the Faustian drive identified by Spengler? The desire on the part of whites to break ourselves against the shores of infinity, attempting the impossible, such as constructing cities inside the Arctic circle or colonies on Mars.

Wistful, almost masturbatory.

Your post has inspired me to finally ask my drunk, redneck neighbors what drives them to push past the bleeding edge of human potential.

Joe M said...

100 million- at which point it no longer is Canada, but Somalistan, but hey, you've got the numbers now to flaunt at the US. Of course, by then, we'll have 500 million and we'll be Mexico North...

Anonymous said...

I agree with poster above, lets expand Israel to 60 million with plenty of Nigerians and Bangladeshies and super-smart guys from Hong-Kong and Singapore.

They'd have to obey the Jewish Sabbath of course - but otherwise what a big plus! Israel's GNP goes about 4x, no need for anymore foreign aid, plus lots of cannon fodder, Israel is now secure from attack. Hell, Israel could roll over Syria and Iraq and power its way into Iran. Finally, the USA would have an ally that was worth something.

Plus many refugees would be better off. I don't see a downside.

slumber_j said...

Marlowe nails it. Very good.

Anonymous said...

"It is not inconceivable that world organizations may begin telling us to increase what we now consider to be a generous immigration policy. Today’s limits are stingy for us. We could get ahead of this and gain world respect for doing so."

The whole, "gain world respect" thing. What a nonsense, a fantasy. Who is this going to impress? Bono and his like? Good God man!

Anonymous said...

I know Kaplan's family personally and they are enormously wealthy. Why is it that this crowd graviotates to race war so much more quickly than to class war? How stunted does a person's historic knowledge and emotional growth have to be for him to instinctively hate on das juden before he can hate on the guy whose shelves he stocks?

Sure, plenty of Jews are well to do and some (like Kaplan) are plentifully rich with descendants born into trust funds but, y'know what(?), plenty of Jews aint rich and the vast majority of the self-interested rich who eat your days and nights and who guarantee a lifetime of difficulty for your kids...aint Jews.

If you genuinely want to identify your enemies, call them out as they are - the wealthy. (And I don't give a damn if Marx, Stalin and Mao said the same thing, learn some nuance, buddy).

Anonymous said...

The National asks: what is Canada?

kaganovitch said...

Interestingly enough the article comments ran around 380 to ten against kaplan. Would that ever happen on a similarly themed ny times article? Not in a million years.

Chief Seattle said...

Anonymous-friend-of-Kaplan: Not all Italians were in the mob either. In fact most weren't. But once you recognized the pattern you knew who to watch out for when you did business. Same thing here - nothing personal, but the patterns are unmistakeable. When the facts on the ground change I'll change my mind.

Anonymous said...

I can't seem to access the comments.

Anonymous said...

"Your post has inspired me to finally ask my drunk, redneck neighbors what drives them to push past the bleeding edge of human potential."

You'd be surprised what people who don't have posh accents can invent when they're drunk and hangin' out in the garage.

What is it that you've broken the sound barrier with other than snark?

Man De Novo said...

Allow me to weigh in to respond to the commenters who have mentioned Canada's "better" immigration policy in relation to the USA and how our immigrants are likely higher in average-IQ. Maybe we have a SLIGHT edge due to not being located next to Mexico, but here are the facts, sourced from here:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/facts2009/permanent/03.asp

Of Canada's annual intake of 250,000 immigrants, only about 47% are admitted on the basis of the "points system", which is likely the source of this idea. That is, points for language proficiency, education, job offers prior to the move, etc. Of those, about 5% of THOSE are live-in caregivers aka Filipino and Jamaican nannies for old folks. So we're down to 42% with maybe real skills.

I say "maybe" because Canada's top source countries in recent years have been India and China - two nations ranked near the top in international surveys of corruption and fraud. So right away, the credentials of this 42% are suspect.

After them, we have the "spouses and dependents" category (of the "Points System" folks). Which is a category that really should be entitled "any alleged relatives" because are talking about chain migration - the right to import pretty much anyone from the old country that the possibly-fraudulent original applicant desires. Got a layabout brother? Bring him, his cousin aka wife, their kids, AND their mentally retarded grandkids to Canada's FREE HEALTH CARE PARADISE! This is another 38%.

Now the fun part - REFUGEES - which make up 8.6&. Does that seem like a high number to you? YOU RACIST! That's about 23,000 PER YEAR. I don't think I need to elaborate. Many Somalis have found lucrative careers in drug dealing, gun running and getting shot for the above.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/07/21/police-vow-to-work-with-somali-community-in-murder-cases

Only 14 murders in 5 years!

The final 6.4% is the "OTHER" category. God only knows what our govt bureaucrats think is a good candidate, although given the above info can you blame me for skepticism?

And there you have it. Canada - the world's best new target.

Dominion of Canada said...

Even the National Post, our "conservative" newspaper is pushing this dumb idea. My rebuttal here:

http://dominionofcanada.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/100-million-canadians/


As for the idea that Canada only lets in smart, productive immigrants, that is dead wrong, as anybody on the ground here can tell you.

According to an article in which our minister for immigration says that we need one million immigrants per year:

"Only 30 per cent of Canadian immigrants are economic migrants, people selected on the basis of their necessary skills or arranged employment offer, Kenney notes. Another 30 per cent are the spouses or dependents of these individuals and 26 per cent are immigrants from family class while 14 per cent are refugees."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/19/immigration-numbers-wont-jump-drastically-kenney/

Anonymous said...

Of course a Kaplan wants more foreigners in Canada. All we need to know is if he'd like more foreigners in Tel Aviv.

Melykin said...

Kaplan is so open minded his brain fell out.

fructose said...

I have a good idea for a "shovel ready" infrastructure project to stimulate the US economy. Pedestrian overpass, from Mexico to Canada.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't it Trofim Lysenko who originally had the idea of 'utilizing' land with adversly cold characteristics into productive farmland by 'vernalizing' wheat?
His idea was that by exposure to climate alone wheat would somehow 'pickup' (by non Darwinian means)inheritable cold resistance.
Kaplan seems to be advocating Lysenkoism - with the whole nation and not just wheat.

Anonymous said...

While the Zionists peddle diversity... I think this mindset is the remnant of an earlier generation. While Jews are more machiavellian and pushy than gentiles, there are other groups out there far more manipulative and pushier. I think in this century the Jews will be overtaken as the lead ethnie of the Anglosphere. What they're doing now is setting the stage for their own demise.

jag

Anonymous said...

I know Kaplan's family personally and they are enormously wealthy. Why is it that this crowd graviotates to race war so much more quickly than to class war?
You don't choose your enemies you enemies choose you.

Wealthy choose here, in the UK, in Canada, certainly aren't pushing open borders for israel, they are, however pushing open borders for every western nation.

Professor Hale said...

I wouldn't mind Canada having a robust immigration policy if they could keep their immigrants there. The problem is that most of them are just passing through and the USA has enough immigrants already. That vast undefended border has a few weak spots.

Rohan Swee said...

Why do people like this wear themselves out nobly trying to foist sky-high immigration policies on resistant, benighted rubes? If they crave dirty, overstuffed, overpriced (barely)living spaces, with low social capital and crawling with entrepreneurial vibrancy, and are apparently completely indifferent to the "unbought grace[s] of life" provided by places like pre-globalunacy Canada, wouldn't it be easier for them to just up sticks and move to any of the myriad places on earth that will provide them with the lifestyle they prefer, rather than waiting around?

Obviously, it's not from any patriotic attachment to their nation, so it's a wonder where the mania comes from. Granted, their dream cities (São Paulo, Mexico City, Mumbai, etc.) are not always free and easy with the immigrant visas. But surely winners like Kaplan could easily score a residence visa in one or another of these realized utopias. So why spin one's wheels in a loserville like Canada when the ideal can be had in the here and now?

I will also grant that these visionaries may be on the cusp of, or have already succeeded in, remaking Toronto after their own hearts, so there's no need to move. But still, 'tis a mystery. Just abnormally high levels of disinterested altruism, I guess.

Rohan Swee said...

Joe M: 100 million- at which point it no longer is Canada, but Somalistan, but hey, you've got the numbers now to flaunt at the US. Of course, by then, we'll have 500 million and we'll be Mexico North...

I, too, look forward to the glorious day when Canada and the U.S. are classed-up enough to be able to have things like, say, wars precipitated by soccer games. Are Somalis into soccer? Well, you see my general point - Somalis and Mexicans mixing it up in a sports stadium or anywhere else has loads of culturally enriching potential for North America.

theo said...

> France has millions of Muslims who
> speak (some) French that it's
> looking to get rid of. Why not
> ship them all to Canada?
That's what the Parti Québécois has been doin' for the last 30 years, dummy. More, ahem, French speakers, more Quebecois. They aren't there yet, but they're trying.

Svigor said...

Come to think of it, whites were crazy enough to invade & conquer Africa as well - a disease ridden, jungle infested continent full of black people no one wants (except Whites).

Lol. Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.

Svigor said...

In his latest article Barone says young Hispanics are sceptical of big government

"Hispanics" are always skeptical of government. It's their response (corruption, apathy, withdrawal) that's the problem. But no worries. Corruption, apathy, tax evasion, tribalism; they're all coming to America, too, with or without "hispanics."

Svigor said...

Anyone know this guy's stance Israel

It's important to understand that one's individual stance on an issue is not the whole story.

It's easy to take an "iconoclastic" position on an issue when you know your fellow tribesmen are going to do their part; immunizing themselves and the rest of the tribe from your "iconoclasm."

It's like a tag team where one guy punches the victim, and the other grabs his money. Neither has actually committed a violent robbery unless you consider them as...dare I say it? A criminal conspiracy.

Immigration levels should be decided via national referendums.

Maybe. Is suicide a right? More to the point, do we let the temporarily (I'm being optimistic) insane exercise it?

And that isn't the only thing he has in common with Mr. Kaplan.

Gee, lemme guess. A lot of folks project what they think I'd like to do to certain folks with a propensity for gate-opening. I remember an old Looney Tunes cartoon where bugs is being chased by some villain and he disguises himself as Freud and has the villain on the couch doubting himself in like 2 seconds flat via psychoanalysis. Maybe the former folks should project that onto me. 'Cuz that's roughly what I'd like to do to the latter folks. But maybe the Irish aren't the only ones immune to psychoanalysis.

Your post has inspired me to finally ask my drunk, redneck neighbors what drives them to push past the bleeding edge of human potential.

To get away from you?

Sure, plenty of Jews are well to do and some (like Kaplan) are plentifully rich with descendants born into trust funds but, y'know what(?), plenty of Jews aint rich and the vast majority of the self-interested rich who eat your days and nights and who guarantee a lifetime of difficulty for your kids...aint Jews.

If you genuinely want to identify your enemies, call them out as they are - the wealthy. (And I don't give a damn if Marx, Stalin and Mao said the same thing, learn some nuance, buddy).


What are Ashkenazis? Like 50% of the immivasion boosters? The smarter, more powerful 50%?

Everybody bashes the wealthy (and the middle class, the white, and the Christian), but they never fight back, and nobody really defends them. Ashkenazis are more fun. The wealthy have been subjected to the Culture of Critique. The middle class have been subjected to the CoC. The whites have been subjected to the CoC. The Christians have been subjected to the CoC. Guess whose turn it is now?

Svigor said...

That's about 23,000 PER YEAR.

Wow, 23 whole thousands PER YEAR? It's thinking like that that shows why Canada is called America Jr. Amateurs.

airtommy said...

I'm disturbed that so many commenters here refer to Kaplan and his ilk as "liberals". Sure, that's the name of his political party, kind of like how the East German police state was called the "German Democratic Republic".

He is pro-war, anti-environment, and pro-business. Those are right wing positions.

He is a multi-culturalist. Since the dilution of Canada's white majority would strengthen the position of his own ethnic group (Jews), that's also a right-wing position.

Anonymous said...

I just don't understand. What is the average IQ of immigrants to canada right now?

Felix said...

Even if Canada only imported "supah high IQ" immigrants, why exactly would that be a good thing? For every job created for the native populace by a Sergey Brin there are 10 jobs the native populace is displaced from by a random "high IQ" Babu from India.

Canada and the US are not Africa, where the problem is the lack of competent and smart people. We have plenty of those. Because of this fact, importing Indian Babus and Chinese Chongs does not benefit our countries in any way, as all it does is increase competition for jobs that otherwise would have been quite adequately filled by the native born.

Anonymous said...

Canada made itself a target by being whiter than the USA.

White countries are by definition racist.

Anonymous said...

"gain world respect"

Really?

Like from whom exactly?

From the US? uh, no, that would be pity.

From Europe? uh, ditto.

From the 3rd world? More like laughing at us for being suckers.

I don't want their respect unless it is the kind of respect one gives a shark.

Mark said...

"Why is it that this crowd graviotates to race war so much more quickly than to class war? How stunted does a person's historic knowledge and emotional growth have to be for him to instinctively hate on das juden before he can hate on the guy whose shelves he stocks?...If you genuinely want to identify your enemies, call them out as they are - the wealthy."

I don't think too many people here have any illusions about where "the rich" stand in terms of their political beliefs, or defense of the West. I live in one of the last states where politics is still pretty much controlled by WASPs (broadly defined) and, yes, the politicians here pass plenty of pro-illegal immigrant bills, etc. Most of the other laws they pass are pretty decent, however (they are at least Republican WASPs).

That said, it's perfectly fair to ask if a pol proposing an incredibly insane immigration law (or any other insane kind of law) would support a jurisdiction he potentially cares about more following the exact same policy prescription.

Bob KAPLAN? His late wife's name was Estherelke Tanenbaum Kaplan. According to her obituary, the couple had three children: Raquel Shulman, Jennifer Chown, and Julie Kaplan (married to John Yakov). Oh, fancy that: they all married Jews. One of their daughters, despite being the child of a well-placed Canadian politician, decided to hightail it to New York. Not much Canadian loyalty there.

Kaplan's grandchildren are named: Elisheva, Chaya Sara, Yosef, David, Ahron Uziel, Michael, Chana Faige, Lucius, Bezalel, Sholem Tzvi, Bayla and Moshe. So all of them, more or less, were given ethnocentric, non-Canadian names.

Mrs. Kaplan's obit, presumably at her husband's preference, asked for contributions to be left to something called "The Benjamin Foundation."

The Benjamin Foundation? Part of The Benjamin Group, which shares a "commitment to serving Toronto's diverse Jewish community."

Clearly, these are thoroughly assimilated Jews, thoroughly committed to forwarding the welfare and interests of Jews no matter how racially or ethnically diverse the countries in which they live.

So again: would Bob Kaplan, et. al. prefer his proposed Canadian solution be adopted by, say, Israel, to pick a totally random country? Will he impose on himself and his family and his own ethnic group the same racial diversity he would impose on every other Canadian?

Because time and again I've noticed that Jewish communities, in whatever city, don't seem to embrace the same enforced diversity their politicians seem to want for everyone else.

Anonymous said...

Complete cluelessness - "We need cities up there, and people for them." Why they *need* cities is never explained, of course.

Hard power? The whole point of Canada is that it doesn't have to use hard power. It lets the US handle stuff like that. Being America's prosperous silent partner has been working out pretty good but it sometimes gives guys like this an ego bruising, so they come up with this garbage.

Mark said...

"The whole point of Canada is that it doesn't have to use hard power. It lets the US handle stuff like that. Being America's prosperous silent partner has been working out pretty good but it sometimes gives guys like this an ego bruising, so they come up with this garbage."

But not having hard power is hard on Canada in one way - its ego.

I once got into an online spat with a Canadian demanding to know why America didn't do anything to stop the 1994 Rwandan genocide. After a post or two explaining the lessons of Mogadishu, the short timeframe, etc., when he still blamed America for doing nothing, I simply asked: Why the frak didn't Canada do anything? Crickets. Conversation over.

To be Canada is really easy on everything but the ego. They could really do without a military at all. They could pass off all their defense costs to the USA, and it's not like we'd object. They border on no Third World country. They had no racial problems until they began importing them.

But expansionism is the inevitable temptation of politics. Why did medieval kings wage all those wars? Because it's the purpose of a kingdom. Why invite tens of millions of people with no conceivable cultural connection to Canada? To give you more people to govern, and more money to disburse. Growth is the imperative.

Doesn't hurt that all the people financing your campaigns feel they'll benefit, too.

Svigor said...

The Benjamin Foundation? Part of The Benjamin Group, which shares a "commitment to serving Toronto's diverse Jewish community."

Diverse Jewish community. L...O...L.

Maybe I should convert. Then I can be diverse too.

Whites (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, French, Spanish, Norwegian, German, Italian, Swedish, Belgian, Dutch, Austrian, Swiss, Romanian, Finn, Bulgarian, Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Latvian, Estonian, Czech, Hungarian, Slovak, Serb, Croat, Belorussian...apologies to anyone I missed) are not diverse.

Svigor said...

Being America's prosperous silent partner has been working out pretty good but it sometimes gives guys like this an ego bruising, so they come up with this garbage.

No. The ego-bruising is his angle for manipulating DWCs.

Mark said...

"Maybe I should convert. Then I can be diverse too."

Well fwiw I often hate the jewbaiting that goes on here. Too often it has no relationship to the issue at hand.

And I'm perfectly fine with Bob Kaplan being a good, observant Jew, raising his children in the faith, and encouraging them to marry and procreate within the faith. From his 3 offspring he apparently has 12 grandchildren. Assuming no step-grandkids in there that's not too shabby a record. It's to be encouraged, even.

What I detest and despise is his remaining a solidly ethnocentric Jew, and almost certainly defending the ethnoreligious state of Israel, while denying Anglo-French, Christian Canadians the same right. I'm sure he'd spew venom if Canadians of predominantly North European/Christian insisted they have the right to keep themselves in the majority.

And of course he has the right to spew venom, too. That's what invaders tend to do. It's our obligation to fight it, denounce it, and ignore it.

Anonymous said...

What I detest and despise is his remaining a solidly ethnocentric Jew, and almost certainly defending the ethnoreligious state of Israel, while denying Anglo-French, Christian Canadians the same right.
Paul Gottfried said something to the effect that its so ingrained that it may as well be genetic.
They can't seem to do otherwise.

I remember listening to a neocon go on and on and on about how great divirsity and open borders were, he poo pooed all my objections. then, i posed the question.. well if it's so great why not have it for israel?

He stammered 'it's a small country' so?
it has problems
but diveristy and immigration would bring vibrant immigrants that would solve those problems...

then he just neurotic and angry.

Anonymous said...


He is pro-war, anti-environment, and pro-business. Those are right wing positions.

conservatives
a. founded the conversation movement in fact T. Roosevelt and Madison Grant were eugencists. THe left hijacked it and its actually anti environmental (open borders).
b. conservatives were tradtionally anti-war - nation building was a left wing liberal idea.
c. look were goldmans sachs puts its money these days -

Perspective said...

Canada (atleast the urban areas) is essentially being transformed in to a global suburb. Basically the people that created and fought for this country are being displaced by a new class of people. Job competition at the professional and mid-management level is exteremly high and minorities (including Asians) have preferential treatment when it comes to hiring.
Actually I find it interesting that many in the US will point out how Hispanics have been displacing blacks in lower skilled jobs. Well here Asians are displacing native born white Canadians in jobs that require some college education. The elite whites at the top don't have to worry though, it's only the people that work in lower-middle rung of a company that have it tough.

David said...

Canada solved overpopulation.

And now this ass wants to mess that up. Brilliant!

Anonymous said...


"Hispanics" are always skeptical of government. It's their response (corruption, apathy, withdrawal) that's the problem. But no worries. Corruption, apathy, tax evasion, tribalism; they're all coming to America, too, with or without "hispanics."



What do mean that they are "coming" to America? From what I can tell, they're already here...

elvisd said...

"Wistful, almost masturbatory.

Your post has inspired me to finally ask my drunk, redneck neighbors what drives them to push past the bleeding edge of human potential."

You're saying that the Anglo world HASN'T done this for centuries? Wow, your observation of history's pretty incomplete, isn't it? Wistful, masturbatory it may be, but it's certainly true. Dip into some 19th century British lit for more of what Marlowe is describing, it won't take you long to find it.

Your snark about rednecks is absurd. That's like denying the achievement of the Hellenic area just because the descendants are making fools of themselves in the debt crisis. Stupid lazy rednecks didn't explore all these continents. Sailors, skilled tradesmen, 5th sons of minor nobility,and peasants who had initiative, guts, and some brains did.

What is it about some of the IQ fetishists on this post who completely ignore that much of the productive work in this country has been done by reasonably intelligent, average folk who happen to work hard? I guess it's because they're not interesting enough to fit in some childish innovator/knuckle-dragger dichotomy. Rootless software developers, tiger moms, the Harvard elite, hood thugs, and la Raza make up their worldview. The middle just isn't sexy enough for them.

Truth said...

"Rootless software developers, tiger moms, the Harvard elite, hood thugs, and la Raza make up their worldview. The middle just isn't sexy enough for them."

Pow!

Take that Svigor, Whiskey, Kudzu Bob JSM and all of the other self-important SWiPpLes who populate the isteve universe.

AND ELVIS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!

Mr. Anon said...

A guy named Kaplan proposes to flood a traditionally Anglo-Saxon / French country with immigrants. But I am not supposed to notice or in any way comment upon the fact that he belongs to a particular ethnic group.

Got it. I will pretend not to notice.

Get Off My Lawn! said...

Geoff Matthews said:

The guy is an idiot, but I do want to speak up in defense of Medicine Hat. It's no colder there than Chicago or Denver during the winter. It's only about an hour from the US border and has a population of ~60,000.

I've never been there, but Wikipedia makes it sounds like a nice place if you like small cities. And how could anyone resist a place that EVER had a nickname like "the City with Gas"?

On the other hand, Geoff, you're dreaming if you think the winter climate is not brutal by American standards. The average January low = 3.4 degrees Fahrenheit. That's about the same as Minneapolis, which has the coldest winter climate of any major US city. As for Denver and Chicago, they're not even in the same league: average January lows are 15 and 16, respectively. Furthermore, your city gets only about .5" of precipitation in January, and I suspect that the prevailing weather in most of the winter is bitterly cold, dry and windy, which many people find particularly uncomfortable compared to snowier but warmer weather.

So, anyway, I hope to visit the Canadian high plains sometime but probably won't be coming in winter. I'd better hurry though, before Kaplan's Liberals fill them up with "new Canadians."

Brett Stevens said...

The liberals seem to have forgotten the golden rule of immigration: when you allow in people from starving countries, those left behind breed furiously to make up the gap.