April 7, 2011

Moynihan's Law of the Canadian Border in Action

The Boston Globe reports:
In a report released Wednesday, the Institute for Economics and Peace says Maine is the most peaceful state, while Louisiana is the least peaceful. ... The Australia-based organization defines peace as an absence of violence. The top three states are Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont.

It's gotta be the ice hockey.

39 comments:

Anonymous said...

Kinda/sorta off-topic, but Michelle Rhee was on Fox & Friends this morning, and I got the distinct impression that she might be one of us.

She certainly had some very complimentary things to say about Chris Christie.

Anonymous said...

Steve, I knew you had to pick up on this. Here is a link to the actual PDF file on The Institute for Economics and Peace web site. Note that Minnesota and North Dakota round out the top 5.

anony-mouse said...

Those 3 states have the lowest birth rates.

No young people, no violent crime, period.

Hope they aren't playing hockey. Its hard on old bones.

Truth said...

"I got the distinct impression that she might be one of us."

There's an awful lot of territory there, Sport

Anonymous said...

What a treasure trove that report is. My favourite conclusion: "Chart 12 – Prior to 2008 voter turnout was correlated to peace"
Heh.
Gilbert Pinfold.

Lil Duce said...

"and I got the distinct impression that she might be one of us."

Not sure what that means, but if she talks about race and IQ with her black husband I'd love to hear that conversation.

Anonymous said...

It's the proximity to Canada, don't ya know?

Anonymous said...

Either that, or the non-hispanic Whites.

Anonymous said...

There's an awful lot of territory there, Sport

T -

Other than the fact that you [seem to] enjoy the banter in these parts, I don't think we actually know all that much about you.

I.e. we certainly know what doesn't make you tick, but we don't know what does make you tick.

Anonymous said...

Not sure what that means, but if she talks about race and IQ with her black husband I'd love to hear that conversation.

She just seemed like she had an awful lot of common sense, and it was obvious that she utterly despised the teachers' unions.

And given that this mess in Wisconsin [to include the Prosser/Kloppenburg Supreme Court race] is easily the single most important domestic issue in this country since at least the Reagan/Kemp/Roth tax cuts, and maybe even since Roe-v-Wade, it took some serious, ah, "ovaries" for her to go on Fox and trash the unions like that.

After this morning's appearance, she'll never again find employment in any DEM power structure - that much I can guaran-damn-tee you.

I.e. from the point of view of a government bureaucrat, it was a career-ending interview.

[Unless maybe Sarah Palin wins in 2012, and then asks her to serve as Secretary of Edumakashun in the 2013 Palin Administration...]

Anonymous said...

It's possible she already found herself getting blackballed in Dem intellectua/political circles and decided to switch sides. Repubs like parading any non-whites in their party. (though its damn hard to convince asians to come out of the political wardrobe)

Anonymous said...

Notice how sarcastic blog entries haven't done squat to derail journalistic mendacity -political correctness- in all these years.

The commissars are stronger than ever after 15 years of free speech on the internet despite all of the zingers and takedowns from steve et al.

Notice also how the same journalists are brought to heel by certain groups -and without the use of snarky blogs. Allah and The Jews are two places they tread carefully.

It's all about respect i.e. fear. The pc journalists keep pounding us with lies because the pushback is so lame. They won't stop deliberately distorting reality until they are afraid to do so.

Anonymous said...

The differences in levels of violence between American regions have very old roots. As David Hackett Fischer noted in "Albion's Seed" the southern colonies had higher rates of violence than New England from the very earliest days of settlement.

These differences cannot be entirely explained by race- for example,the report lists Tennessee 2nd from the bottom, even though at roughly 75% non-Hispanic White, its population is whiter than the nation as a whole.

Anonymous said...

Well, it is pretty cold up there. What would a fair HBD experiment look like? Get a sample of Lousiana people, have them move up to Toronto and measure the crime rate difference?

Nanonymous said...

"Chart 12 – Prior to 2008 voter turnout was correlated to peace"

Hilarious! You can't make it up.

John Cunningham said...

Of course there is little violent crime in northern, hockey-playing states, as in Canada. the males leave all their murderous instincts on the ice.

RS said...

> These differences cannot be entirely explained by race-

Read between the lines of "Albion's Seed" - it's about nothing but four Britannic sub-races - or three sub-races and a religious culture, I'm not sure.

Doubtless, not all their differences were caused by biology, but his referring to them as cultures or folkways doesn't render the whole thing entirely non-biological. It's probably more bio in nature than not. I suppose for a more neutral term we'd have to call them 'groups' or something.

Anonymous said...

"Read between the lines of "Albion's Seed" - it's about nothing but four Britannic sub-races - or three sub-races and a religious culture, I'm not sure.

Doubtless, not all their differences were caused by biology, but his referring to them as cultures or folkways doesn't render the whole thing entirely non-biological. It's probably more bio in nature than not. I suppose for a more neutral term we'd have to call them 'groups' or something."


Probably both, ie cultural selection selecting for certain types of behavior probably results in certain subtle genetic variations in what are otherwise very similar ethnic groups. Culture makes it a self-reinforcing cultural-biological loop.

Northern Puritans and Quakers are generally non-violent (except when they are on the war path of some great crusade - Civil War, WWI & WWII, etc) and Southern Cavaliers and Scots-Irish much more warlike, especially the Scots-Irish who were practically speaking a lowlands, English-speaking version of the kind of tribal, clan based society otherwise seen in Gaelic, not English speaking areas, organized for perpetual war with each other or with whoever the enemy happened to be - cross-border reaving between England and Scotland; war with the native Irish in Northern Ireland, war with the Indians in North America, war with fellow Americans over slavery and the union, war against the godless commies twenty years ago and against the "islamo-fascists" today.

By now there could be a genetic component, you've got a lot of cultural selection going on now for many centuries, selecting for proud, warlike types, quick to fight without taking the time to think things through. There's really not much call for their "services" now except for the military so they take it out in petty crime, especially in poor areas. Will probably get worse as we continue to depress our wages down to third world levels thanks to globalism.

Anonymous said...

"Other than the fact that you [seem to] enjoy the banter in these parts, I don't think we actually know all that much about you.

I.e. we certainly know what doesn't make you tick, but we don't know what does make you tick."


The Twoof drinking game:

Every time Twoof calls someone "sport", take a shot.

Every time Twoof gets annoyed that someone points out the various shortcomings of black people, take a shot.

Every time Twoof corrects someone over some petty point of detail, take a shot; if Twoof is factually incorrect while trying to correct others, take two shots.

Every time Twoof demonstrates a lack of reading comprehension, take a shot.

Last drinker standing wins.

Anonymous said...

The ancient divide in America is between the Yankee yeoman of New England and the southern planter.
The divide is still there.The gentle, bearded leftwingers of Vermont and Maine live in quite, cean communities by making intricate handicrafts (ie sophisticated manufactured products), in the smae sense as that dear old chap in Dscovery's 'Old Fashioned Yankee Workshop' does.
Meanwhile the big estates of the south rely on cheap labor for their 'comparative advantage'.In this case the labor is supplied by 'hard working, family oriented Mexicans' - as George Bush might put it.

Restell said...

Well, it is pretty cold up there. What would a fair HBD experiment look like? Get a sample of Lousiana people, have them move up to Toronto and measure the crime rate difference?

This experiment already exists. It's called 'the South Side of Chicago in winter.' Do bring your clipboard and your lab coat and come visit sometime; you should find the results most edifying.

Sword said...

Here are the top-10 in peace. Note that the peace score, listed immediately after the state name, is designed so that the higher the score, the lower the peace. After the peace score, I have added the percentage of African-American population in the state, and the reverse rank of the state with regard to AA population %.

1 Maine 1.34 1.03% 4th
2 New Hampshire 1.50 1.22% 7th
3 Vermont 1.54 0.87% 2nd
4 Minnesota 1.62 4.57% 20th
5 North Dakota 1.71 1.08% 5th
6 Utah 1.75 1.27% 8th
7 Massachusetts 1.80 7.02% 25th
8 Rhode Island 1.83 6.36% 23rd
9 Iowa 1.85 2.68% 11th
10 Washington 1.87 3.74% 15th

Of these 10 states, 5 are among the bottom 10 in African-american population percentage.

OK then, let us look at the 10 states with the worst peace scores: The same stats turn out to be:

41 Maryland 3.24 29.44% 47th
42 South Carolina 3.26 28.48% 46th
43 Oklahoma 3.27 7.96% 25th
44 Arkansas 3.30 15.76% 38th
45 Texas 3.30 11.91% 33rd
46 Alabama 3.42 26.38% 45th
47 Florida 3.50 15.91% 40th
48 Nevada 3.50 8.10% 26th
49 Tennessee 3.61 16.78% 41st
50 Louisiana 3.97 31.98% 49th

So, of the 10 least peaceful states, 6 are among the top-10 in AA population percentage. 3 of the remaining 4 have large Hispanic populations.

On page 6 of the pdf report, there are also these 2 sentences:

”Note: Washington D.C. is excluded from the list, as outlined in the methodology section of this report.”

”The aim of the research will be to further our understanding of what types of environments are associated with peace sub-nationally and to define the positive economic impact of peace.”

I think I have established an important factor in that environment.

#Times the word ”race” is mentioned in the 55-page report: 0

Anonymous said...

The real experiment is happening in Maine, where a good number of African refugees have settled in the Lewiston area.

Peter A said...

I think you mean it's the snowmobiling. Hockey is really not that popular in those 3 states. The less affluent tend to ride snowmobiles in winter, and the more affluent ski/snowboard. I grew up in NH and we never played hockey growing up, but everyone down here in Mass does. It may be that the lack of infrastructure and low population density also make hockey tough to organize.

Anonymous said...

There's really not much call for their "services" now except for the military so they take it out in petty crime, especially in poor areas. Will probably get worse as we continue to depress our wages down to third world levels thanks to globalism.

Things getting worse won't decrease the demand for their services, it'll increase the demand. Just last week 41 people were murder in 4 days in Juarez. We're on the brink of a rise in the level of violence this country hasn't seen since the Civil War. Thankfully the peaceful citizens of Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont (and the staff of the Boston Globe) have a large buffer zone between them and the border. Steve is not so fortunate.

Svigor said...

T -

Other than the fact that you [seem to] enjoy the banter in these parts, I don't think we actually know all that much about you.

I.e. we certainly know what doesn't make you tick, but we don't know what does make you tick.


Maybe it'll sink home when you say it (because it sure didn't make any difference when I did). Or maybe he thinks it's a feature, not a bug. Never taking a position means never having to defend one.

But refusing to take a position, after a while, adds up to status-quo-ism.

And that reminds me of something I was going to post in response to "Too Tall Jones," but didn't - black nationalism can be very hard to distinguish from egalitarianism/mainstream globalism. And that's sad in a couple of ways.

Svigor said...

The commissars are stronger than ever after 15 years of free speech on the internet despite all of the zingers and takedowns from steve et al.

How are they stronger than ever? I could just as easily say they're weakening. The mainstream media sure seems to be weakening, especially newspapers. Someone at Mangan's in a recent comment said that the ratcheting up of the familiar taboos is a response to all the bleeding from a thousand cuts; the censors are clamping down out of desperation. I don't know if it's true, but it's certainly plausible. And the commenter has a point that wherever you go on the Web that has a modicum of free speech, you're very likely to run into an ethnopatriot's comments, including mainstream newspapers.

I'm just saying, a lot can happen beneath the surface of a strict taboo, which by its very nature obscures what's actually going on. I'm not at all sure of the rate of change, but I can tell you this much: continued access to avenues of free speech is going to gradually cause a sea change in American politics. The boomers won't be in charge forever.

P.S. 15 years is a deceptive number. Relatively speaking, very few people were doing much communicating online in 1995.

David said...

>The Australia-based organization defines peace as an absence of violence.<

The fine Australian mind at work.

Anonymous said...

the Scots-Irish who were practically speaking a lowlands, English-speaking version of the kind of tribal, clan based society otherwise seen in Gaelic, not English speaking areas, organized for perpetual war with each other or with whoever the enemy happened to be

Were they really just an English-speaking version of warlike Gaelic-style clans? I was always under a different impression, but I'm no expert on the Ulster Scots or the history of Lowlands Scotland.

Anonymous said...

Louisiana undoubtedly has many blacks (and thus much crime). Maine and northern New England has very few (and thus little crime). Except for the Somalis that the refugee-industrial complex dumped on Lewiston.

Truth said...

"The Twoof drinking game:"

Even if you play that game with the Salt Lake City Mormon chapter of Lifetime Teatotalers (SLCMCOLT) It's going to go on a Loooooooooong Time!

Truth said...

"I.e. we certainly know what doesn't make you tick, but we don't know what does make you tick."


I'll have to figure that out before I can tell you, but on some level, I'm probably just your typical, run-of-the-mill, A.A., black Muslim, Communist-Socialist-Jew lover, who didn't earn one iota of what he got.

Anonymous said...

Bah! Enough with the descriptive statistics!

Obviously any complex human phenomenon like violence will be multi causal. Hence the dispute in the comments as to whether the observed violence differences are from race, or "Albion Seed" ethnicity, or temperature, or latitude or God knows what.

We need some analytical statistics not mere descriptive statistics. I suggest we cast race, Scots-Irish versus Anglo-Saxon, and all the other proposed explanations as independent variables and perform a Stepwise Multiple Regression.

I used to do this sort of thing professionally at the dawn of the micro computer age. When I had studied multiple regression at UC Berkeley this sort of thing was considered a main frame type problem. Only a few years later I punched in job program data into my Commodore PET and regressed it against job outcomes. Alas, I couldn't publish the results because race was the only variable that had had any effect.

Back then I entered all of the data by hand through a lousy keyboard. Then I had to write my own stat software (in BASIC). Then I had no way of saving intermediate results - the cassette drive didn't work. And then the political climate was such that race could only be mentioned as part of an argument that found that race didn't matter. All that has now changed. Today such an analysis would be trivial.

Steve with his market research background should be able to set this up and compute the relative contributions all the posited factors. He is also well positioned to publish findings that - for example - 40% of the explained variance is racial.

Albertosaurus

Mont said...

"I'm just saying, a lot can happen beneath the surface of a strict taboo, which by its very nature obscures what's actually going on. I'm not at all sure of the rate of change, but I can tell you this much: continued access to avenues of free speech is going to gradually cause a sea change in American politics. The boomers won't be in charge forever."

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this supposed change.

However, I do know what is changing: the racial make up of USA, and fast.

Chris said...

I looked at the correlations between the "peacefulness" rankings and racial makeup among the 48 contiguous states.

Here they are.

The correlation coefficients are

% White, +0.717
% Black, -0.663
% Hispanic,-0.337

Demographic data from here.

Camlost said...

I'll have to figure that out before I can tell you, but on some level, I'm probably just your typical, run-of-the-mill, A.A., black Muslim, Communist-Socialist-Jew lover, who didn't earn one iota of what he got.

You forgot "Reparations Proponent".

Truth said...

"You forgot "Reparations Proponent".

No, I didn't.

Anonymous said...

Reply to Chris.

Thank you for that interesting chart. I couldn't help but notice that the three most peaceful states all have only 1% black population. (Just a coincidence of course).

Assistant Village Idiot said...

I assent entirely to DHF's take on this, noted by a few commenters, that there is a folkway, or perhaps race-within-a-race component to this that goes back centuries (and can still be observed among those groups in the UK, BTW. Think Glasgow, Belfast.) I would also find the small minority populations significant, but there is a confounding factor that may be causing folks to overestimate it here. Mere difference between human groups, when they have to live cheek by jowl, raises the crime rate in both groups. I imagine the young men getting primed and overstimulated may cause them to act out on their own tribesmen as well as the neighboring tribes as well. Which particular groups live near each other may indeed be a factor, or even the dominant factor. But mere difference between Lilliputians and Brobdingnagians creates violence as well. Homogeneity promotes peace, heterogeneity doesn't. You can pretty much observe that worldwide.