October 21, 2010

Things you can't say anymore, Part MCXVII

From the LA Times:
National Public Radio terminated the contract of commentator Juan Williams after he said on Fox's "The O'Reilly Factor" that people wearing Muslim garb on airplanes made him "worried" and "nervous."

But, what if he said that seeing the blue-eyed, blond all-American jihadi terrorists on last night's episode of Law & Order: Los Angeles made him "worried" and "nervous?"

80 comments:

Sylvia said...

That's unfortunate. I really like him.

Anonymous said...

Didn't Whiskey say that blacks could make these types of comments without facing the consequences?

I guess he was wrong...

Anonymous said...

If there were no basis for it, it wouldn't be such a scandal, of course. If some guy said "I'm terrified when people with pink polo shirts get on airplanes," well, geez, you know. That's silly.

But recognizing that Muslims keep blowing people up? WHOA NOW

Anonymous said...

They were looking for a politically correct reason to fire a guy who should have been fired for non polutically corfect reasons a very long time ago. Just like Ricardo Sanchez.

As for Sylvia, of course you like him, because you're a timid white lady who's happy to have the cover of a black guy to hide behind against accusations of your being racist, "I'm not! Even though I don't agree with everything he says, I like Juan Williams!"

There's absolutely nothing to like about the mindless sellout to cash that is Juan Williams. NPR brought him on as a diversity hire and then he flipped them off by accepting bags of gold from Fox for being their not-crazy-left-black-hispanic-Alan-Colmes who will always be ready to agree to attack lefters 'as a lefter himself'.

The problem is that the only way you can fire a black is for being discriminatory so they waited and waited and --- hallelujah.

Same with Ricky Rick. The guy sucked ass and was a stupid, loudmouth, white hater for ages. There's no questiuon there were powers at CNN who wanted to get rid of him a very long time ago and who understood accurately that he was nothing but a brown face to put on the air (listen to his entire final radio segment, you'll want to fire him too) but what could they do? Wait...wait.... ----Praise Jesus.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Imam Hussein Obama [peace be upon him] will pass judgment on this scandal?

Or if [in Williams's firing] he already has?

green mamba said...

This is "Wow. Just wow" moment. Juan Williams? Probably the most honest and articulate black news commentator out there - and a conscientious liberal - gets canned for expressing a perfectly normal sentiment. The SWPL ninnies who control so much of our public life must be stopped.

Probably the p.c. ninnies at NPR already had it out for Juan because of his appearances on that bastion of right-wing white-guyism, Fox News (readers of this site will recognize the irony in that statement).

Incidentally, I've noticed that Terry Gross, whose interviews I've always enjoyed, has been expressing a more blinkered, partisan liberal line lately.

Where will this all end?

Chris said...

And then there's that top rabbi in Israel who straight out said last week that the life purpose of "goyim" was to serve Jews. Wonder if that guy's income will be affected in any way.

Jeff said...

I wouldn't feel too bad for Juan.

I swear he's been asking NPR to fire him for a while for the publicity.

RKU said...

Here's an interesting question...

Over the last ten years, how many people in America have been killed by the sort of people who make Juan Williams "nervous"? And how many people in America have been killed by the sort of people...who *are* Juan Williams?

Repeat this same calculation over the last nice years as well, just to detect anomalous edge effects...

Maybe Juan Williams would still have his job if he'd just said that white people always make him nervous since they're constantly lynching blacks, committing Holocausts, and murdering their friends and relatives, as he knows from movies and TV.

Anonymous said...

This is why I stopped giving money to NPR 11 years ago, even though they have some great programs.

american fez said...

People carrying NPR umbrellas and coffee mugs make me worried and nervous. Who in their right mind writes a check to support "Fresh Air"?

Anonymous said...

YEARS ago, when NPR referred to French rioters as "youths," (encouraging the listener to form in his mind a not-quite-right picture) it occurred to me (I'm a bit slow...) that NPR is L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y in the busines of obscuring rathern than informing.

Obvously, that hasn't changed.

Anonymous said...

In all fairness NPR does rely heavily on the genoristy of Muslim Americans during pledge week.

Anonymous said...

I used to hear this guy on NPR when I was a centrist. Not too bad a guy. And pretty smart. What the heck got into him to make him come out stating the obvious? Everyone knows you must never...

George said...

"Didn't Whiskey say that blacks could make these types of comments without facing the consequences?

I guess he was wrong..."

During the same conversation he said something like Political Correctness causes opinion makers to self-censor for fear of rebuke.Letting that cat out of the leftist bag probably irked his handlers as well.
And,I'll bet many of his "collegues" on the left despise him because treats his opponents on the right with civility.

Peter A said...

You have to be pretty ignorant of basic statistics if "people wearing Muslim garb on airplanes" makes you "worried" and "nervous." Millions of Muslims fly everyday and don't blow up planes. Also most Muslims don't wear distinctive clothing - most Americans tend to think Hindu or Sikh dress is "Muslim", when it's not. "Muslim garb" is not a reliable method of profiling a terrorist even if all terrorists are Muslims. Juan Williams should be fired for being too stupid to pontificate.

Anonymous said...

Terrorists in actual Muslim garb? I don't think so.

Chicago said...

Perhaps he'll be replaced with a burka clad muslim female who proclaims that she is a lesbian, just so NPR can demonstrate how enlightened and forward looking it is. Out with the old sacred cows, in with the new.

CC-bLF said...

. "If some guy said "I'm terrified when people with pink polo shirts get on airplanes," well, geez, you know. That's silly."

Eh, more likely he'd be celebrated as an innovative new thinker. Seeing's how the pink-polo-clad tend to have pink skin, too, this fellow would be booked tout de suite with the talking heads to discuss the "growing pink-polo threat."

Kylie said...

Apparently NPR didn't have a problem with Juan Williams dismissing the 70% of Missourians who voted against a health care mandate because they did so in an "echo chamber of older white people".

Juan Williams and the echo chamber.

So it's OK for someone to dismiss the results of a democratic vote by American citizens on the basis of those citizens' race and age. But it's not OK for that same someone to worry about being near people who advertise themselves as being of the same faith as those who in the name of that faith attacked and killed thousands of Americans.

Nothing like a nice, big helping of Schadenfreude to go with my morning coffee.

Truth said...

"I guess he was wrong..."

That was either great sarcasm, or you are new here.

The young fogey said...

Censorship. Ew. That said, people in Muslim garb or Arab-looking people on a plane as terrorists after 9/11 would be like the old Communist Party USA, too obvious to help their cause. Not to go 'Law & Order' on you but an at least neutral-looking person would make a better hijacker/bomber.

Anonymous said...

Saying what he did makes Juan Williams a bigot, and Liberals won't tolerate bigots holding any position of influence. Of course, most people are bigots. It's no big deal to be one.

Fellow Traveler in Berkeley said...

I also have liked Fresh Air for many years and have noticed the pronounced partisan trend of the last year or two (it was there before, but never in the foreground, and didn't usually get in the way of the interview)...I am less inclined now to listen to it.

A bigger loss to me is the same thing happening with Michael Krasny, the host of Forum from KQED (the SF NPR station); this is a really well-informed, thoughtful person who was a joy to listen to in his interviews and discussions with literary, cultural, and political figures. But like Terry Gross, lately he just allows too much of his personal political inclinations to the surface, in such a way that eclipses the rest of the content.

stari_momak said...

At least Williams is being a man.

"I said what I meant to say," Juan Williams said in his defense.

http://tinyurl.com/2d5nswz

White men can learn from his example.

Anonymous said...

I heard a black woman (Julianne Malveaux?) on NPR during the Duke rape hoax saying there was a time when no one would dare touch a black woman, in other words the Duke case should have resulted in riots and murder. She wasn't fired. So you're clearly being too hard on NPR.

riches said...

Government radio had to protect the sensibilities of its largest audience: riders in big city cabs.

John D said...

Anonymous said...
Saying what he did makes Juan Williams a bigot, and Liberals won't tolerate bigots holding any position of influence. Of course, most people are bigots. It's no big deal to be one.

The vast majority of Liberals are themselves bigots, in the classic definition of the word:

- a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

- A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

- bigoted - blindly and obstinately attached to some creed or opinion and intolerant toward others; "a bigoted person"; "an outrageously bigoted point of view"

The very definition of SWPLs these days. Express an honest (and reasonable) idea, like Williams did, and be exiled to the Gulag. Talk about intolerance.

persona au gratin said...

That whole L&O episode with the lily white jihadis ironically gave support to the contention of people like Larry Auster that Islam is the problem. As long as Islam is allowed to exist in our society anybody could take up jihad, even white converts from Minnesota. They didn't even use the words fundamentalist or radical extremist or Islamofascist in the episode; they called it Conservative Islam. Then they had the main Euro-jihadi shout out at the end of the program that they were everywhere and the message was coming.
All this may simply be because the producer Rene Balcer is married to a Jewish woman and has ties to Israel, he was a journalist in Israel during the Yom Kippur war. He may even be Jewish himself, but I have no idea.

Big bill said...

Peter A: I have met many women on college campuses who readily admit to being nervous when young men come upon them, particularly at night, in a group of men.

I made the same argument you did about the millions of men who don't rape women.

For some reason they just didn't agree they were sexist bigots.

Go figure.

Me? If I am on campus after dark approaching a young woman on the sidewalk I usually go to the other side of the street.

I suppose I could rush up to her and call her a sexist b!tch when she clutches her purse and starts to cross the street to avoid getting within rape distance, but it just doesn't seem worth it, you know?

I wish Muslims would accept their race guilt the way I go out of my way, accept my gender guilt and avoid scaring poor college girls.

Life would be a lot more pleasant.

Speaking of thumb-sucking solipsism and self-righteousness, wasn't there some black NYT writer who wrote a novel (5-10 years ago) describing how he beat the crap out of some white guy who shied away from him in fear on a Chicago street?

Anonymous said...

Of course, to the anti semites at Mangan's this is yet more evidence of how the Zionists control the levers of power.

After all, the fact that millions of Muslims are moving to the West is evidence of Zionist control. Muslims literally burn the Jewish community of Malmo out of the city. Muslims threaten and intimidate Jews in to evacuating the American city of Dearborn, so that Dearborn's Jewish population falls by more than 95%.

Juan questions the wisdom of mass muslim immigration to the USA and is fired. Of course the people making the firing decisions are beholden to AIPAC. The people bringing all the muslims to the USA are zionists.

Sure.

Dahlia said...

While I think there is another, non-Muslim, angle to the firing, I do think it is very revealing.

Simply put, my sense tells me that the battle over the proper role and view of Muslims is getting more feverish (due to Muslim aggressiveness forcing the issue) and the liberals have begun reasserting themselves since Terry Jones.

The conservative/libertarian side had the upper hand with first, the murder of Theo Van Gogh and then the Muhammad cartoons and their criticism of the way the cartoonists had to live in fear in their own countries. The cognitive dissonance in liberals rendered them mute and dispirited: the Muslims had gone beyond the pale in their illiberal actions, but they were the exalted "other".

Then the conservatives fumbled. And badly. They were holding their own with public opinion on the mosque at ground zero, but along came a lower-class Christian preacher just as incendiary as the cartoonists, but this time the conservatives threw him to the wolves and even joined them.

That gave the liberals much needed confidence that had been robbed by the Libertarians for over five years. That the condemnation went worldwide against a lone little church I think was blowback from

Then along comes O'Reilly (thank God for a man with a backbone). He doesn't back down and goes looking for allies to back him up and enter Juan Williams...

A basic timeline starting with 9/11

2001: U.S. attacked by Muslims

2002: Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn is murdered by a white Leftist in order to "protect weak groups in society". Geert Wilders, another Dutch politician, begins to speak out against Islam in his new role as spokesman for the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy.

2004: "Submission" by Theo Van Gogh is aired on Dutch public television, in November, he is murdered by a Muslim.

2005: Dutch paper Jyllands-Posten publishes the Muhammad cartoons in September. American media and others cover the story, but won't show the actual cartoons. American conservatives cry foul at a double-standard where Christianity critics are not merely given attention, but celebrated by the same media.

2005-2009: Geert Wilders continues to rise in popularity. American conservatives continue to mock the illiberal attitudes of Muslims and highlight their crimes in Europe: French car burning, Swedish raping, etc. Liberals remain silent or obfuscate, but mostly remain silent. Geert Wilders meets with American conservatives and even visits Republicans in Washington.

2009: Plans to build a "Cordoba House" to be built near ground zero is written about in the NY Times. Conservatives are upset, but the liberals resist them much more this time.

2010: Terry Jones threatens to burn a Koran and speaks out against Islam from a religious standpoint. Liberals speak out against him, but conservatives abandon him. Leaders from all over the entire world condemn him. Muslim riots ensue killing some Christians. He does not burn the Koran. Not since the murder of Pim Fortuyn has the Left been successful in silencing the opposition or having their viewpoint prevail.

October: American Bill O'Reilly says Americans don't want a mosque at ground zero because Muslims flew planes into the WTC in 2001. Liberals get upset.
October 20, 2001 liberal Juan Williams tells O'Reilly that he disagrees with him about his attitude towards Islam and Muslims, but admits that he is afraid when he sees a Muslim on a plane in full "Muslim garb". He is fired from NPR without getting a chance to defend himself for being a bigot.

Anonymous said...

This is very interesting, for 1) the timing is very suspect--George Soros just gave NPR money to hire a bunch of people; 2) it pits libs against libs.

NPR had been under pressure to get rid of Juan because he's on Fox. Is Mara Liasson next? Mara is always more guarded in her comments than Juan, protecting her ass.

This morning, all the pundits, lib and conservative, and all the talk show people back Williams in this.

I feel pretty certain that NPR knew they'd face a huge backlash for this, but the money they got from Soros was in exchange for pushing JW off the cliff.

If I am wrong about this and they didn't know they'd face this backlash, they are more clueless than I had ever imagined.

It is fun, however, to see libs eating their own. Williams won't suffer professionally from this and for that, I am glad.

This kind of thing can only happen in the tempestuous cauldron of failure that Obama and his admin. have cooked up.

Beck has been prodding Soros recently and Soros hates it. O'Reilly like to think it's he who Soros hates, but it's Beck that drives him nuts.

Anonymous said...

NPR is managed by liberal Jews. The best way to keep your job at NPR is by bashing conservatives, white people, and the Christian Right, indeed that is obligatory.

NPR Jews are only pretending to protect Muslims by spinning Muslims in America as poor helpless victims of Christian Nazis.
The liberal Jewish view is Christian Nazis killed 6 million Jews, and so Christian Nazis in America could, by inciting hatred against Muslims, use that hatred to eventually kill the Jews again. I know it's a kind of Jewish paranoid mentality, but that's how liberal Jews think. Just listen to SPLC spiel and look how much money it receives from the JEwish community.

Liberal Jews still see Christian whites as their number one enemy, and so they get worried when Christians beat up on Muslims. They fear that this hatred may one day be let loosed on the Jews.

Or after Rick Sanchez got canned for criticizing Jewish power, maybe the Jews at NPR figured the firing of Juan would be a good way of showing that Jews fire anyone who is insensitive to ANY group--at least a minority group--and not just those who 'badmouth' Jews.
In other words, the firing of Ricky was not because he offended Jews per se but he because he was offensive, period. The proof? NPR fired Juan over remarks about MUSLIMS!!
I know CNN isn't NPR, but I'll bet there is a kind of 'understanding' of things about Jewish media lords.

asdfasdfsadf said...

"Didn't Whiskey say that blacks could make these types of comments without facing the consequences?"

Blacks become honorary whites IF they tend to side with the right on some issues and be critical of Democrats, as Juan has often been.

Wandrin said...

"Didn't Whiskey say that blacks could make these types of comments without facing the consequences?"

The multicult has a hierarchy of non-white based on how hostile they are to white people / western civilization.

By default, black people used to be at the top of this heirarchy because of violent crime.

(Although the more socially conservative ones had a separate spot lower down. White people being at the bottom obviously.)

They lost the top spot to muslims after 9/11.

You can't criticize *up* the hierarchy, only downstream.

Chief Seattle said...

LMAO. Juan Williams, the black guy with the hispanic name getting fired for insensitivity? How ironic, especially considering he's the prototypical affirmative action candidate. Any white guy with his skills would still be announcing the traffic between satellite feeds.

Anonymous said...

What will blacks think of his getting the shaft in deference to muslims? Do blacks favor muslims over themselves? I am guessing, not.

Anonymous said...

It seems he didn't even make a statement about Muslims, but about his own feelings:

I have a moment of anxiety or fear, given what happened on 9/11–that’s just a reality.

But of course PC isn't only about having the proper opinions, but also the proper emotions.

Truth said...

"As for Sylvia, of course you like him, because you're a timid white lady who's happy to have the cover of a black guy to hide behind against accusations of your being racist, "I'm not! Even though I don't agree with everything he says, I like Juan Williams!"


Where do you get all that, there, Kreskin? All she said is that she likes the guy.

" NPR brought him on as a diversity hire..."

Why, exactly, would public television hiring a 23-year Washinton Post reporter and editor be considered a "diversity hire"?

"The problem is that the only way you can fire a black is for being discriminatory..."

Wait a minute, I thought that was exactly what you COULDN'T fire a black for. You people are hard to keep up with. It's pretty obvious to see why you post anonymously, Sport.

not a hacker said...

I never liked Juan Williams either. He was an near-reflexive defender of just about every liberal program. But the relevant principle is larger. Most people here have probably been something like me, wishing for a way to stick it to the insufferably righteous a-holes who run institutions like NPR. So now we should use whatever market power we have to punish them. The only NPR offering I ever hear is Car Guys, so I can't name a single advertiser. But whoever these companies are, I hope everyone boycotts.

Whiskey said...

No I did not say it, but note that Hotair and others are saying that NPR wanted to get rid of Williams for years for appearing on Fox News. There was an abortive attempt to fire Mara Liasson for the same thing.

Williams said what he said because the realities of flying (Muslims are a threat to kill him) are to direct to ignore.

I am a bit surprised by Williams firing, since Blacks are usually top of the PC hierarchy. This must mean that Muslim > Black > Hispanic > Gay > Female > White Guy is the new hierarchy. George Soros has been funding a lot of efforts to "get" Fox News, this is probably part of it. Its estimated that about 75% of NPR operating revenue comes from Soros controlled funding sources. So no surprise there, it's PC orthodoxy.

Whoopi Goldberg (who walked out on Bill O'Reilly) supports Williams. I imagine NPR is unprepared for the racial solidarity common among Blacks -- Tavis Smiley, and probably Barack Obama, will weigh in with support for Williams.

The Flying Imam case (provocateurs aiming to scare passengers and test security) scared the hell out of the flying public.

When you fly, you are hideously vulnerable to hijacking and suicide jihad. The consequences of PC are enormous. Literally your life and death. People get off planes, or demand the identifiable Muslims acting belligerent be kicked off.

Because the bet they are making is binary: Life or Death. Thus ANY error on the downside MUST be avoided. Its a dagger at PC.

What if you're wrong, the Muslims are no threat? You get called Racist. Big Deal. What if you're right, they plan to crash the plane? You die.

PC enforcement by liberals runs smack up against Islamic aggression, with ordinary flyers particularly business people and opinion shapers scared out of their wits. Williams is hardly the first and won't be the last to express this in one way or another.

Anonymous said...

Juan Williams still works for Fox News. So I guess the Williams children won't go hungry this winter.

Svigor said...

I heard about the O'Reilly/View kerfuffle but didn't really care enough to look for the details. Couple days ago at a friends house I saw parts of a recap. The amazing part was the focus group or whatever. The sista was flat-out denying the fact that Muslims brought down the towers. She seemed quite upset that the cracker was insisting they were Muslims.

WTF?

Svigor said...

Saying what he did makes Juan Williams a bigot, and Liberals won't tolerate bigots holding any position of influence. Of course, most people are bigots. It's no big deal to be one.

Heh, Liberals are the world's biggest bigots, obviously. You might be writing that tongue-in-cheek but I feel the need to spell these things out.

smead jolley said...

Amazing that not a single commenter has said no one should lose his or her job for saying something unpopular, or ill-considered (not that it was.) Too bad we can't have a worldwide jihad against enforcers of orthodoxy.

some other name said...

Steve, over at the VC there's speculation the whole thing was set-up by Williams and Ailes to get Juan out of his NPR contract.

headache said...

Same ridiculousness here in Germany.
One remark made by our Muslim-friendly Bundespresident, which is a honorary title without much political clout, is that we either develop a "democratic Islam" (whatever that is) or we have billions of Muslims facing off against millions of Europeans. That was the first time an elite mentioned the deeper fear these people seen to have. Maybe this is the reason why the elite are so Muslim-friendly?

Victoria said...

As for Sylvia, of course you like him, because you're a timid white lady who's happy to have the cover of a black guy to hide behind against accusations of your being racist,

Isn't this really a stretch? Such a sentiment may very well be true in many instances, but you know nothing of Sylvia except her brief words. Why so heavy-handed?

NPR brought him on as a diversity hire and then he flipped them off by accepting bags of gold from Fox

Now, here, I think you're right. Williams not only flipped off for Fox money, but prior to this commitment, he proved he had found a new religion by writing a most Incorrect book re blacks and their entrenched poverty and the poverty pimps who control them. This was most shocking coming from a dyed-in-the-wool liberal progressive, who at one time shamelessly supported the dealings of the Jackson-Sharpton hustlers.

I always thought that the increasing successes in the book publishing industry of Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele played a part in Williams coming to see the light. Either an editor/agent approached him about doing something similar or he got the bright idea to compete for those advance payment dollars.

People carrying NPR umbrellas and coffee mugs make me worried and nervous. Who in their right mind writes a check to support "Fresh Air"?

Ain't it the truth!? That's hilarious!

Dutch Boy said...

Poor Mr. Wiliams is crying all the way to the bank.

Anonymous said...

"You have to be pretty ignorant of basic statistics if "people wearing Muslim garb on airplanes" makes you "worried" and "nervous." Millions of Muslims fly everyday and don't blow up planes. Also most Muslims don't wear distinctive clothing - most Americans tend to think Hindu or Sikh dress is "Muslim", when it's not. "Muslim garb" is not a reliable method of profiling a terrorist even if all terrorists are Muslims. Juan Williams should be fired for being too stupid to pontificate."

Millions of muslims do not fly every day with western passengers you doofus, they primarily take flights within and between their dirty little countries.

And they would be blowing up planes every single day if we were not worried about the threat and did not go to great lengths to minimize it.

It's our fear of muslim terrorists that helps keep us safe in the air. That was O'Reilly's point, which Juan had to concede - being a politically correct idiot can get people killed.

And it has. Fort Hood is example number one of political correctness killing people.

asdfasdfasdf said...

The race of who said what and of whom it was said does indeed matter.
NO ONE came to Sanchez's defense, but MANY are running to support Juan Williams. Why?

Sanchez, a white CUBAN Hispanic said stuff about Jews. (Cuban community is tagged with GOP, CIA, and the mafia--even if Sanchez is a liberal.)

But, Juan is black and his remark was about Muslims. So, he's getting lots and lots of support from all around.

none of the above said...

Firing reporters for their views is deeply stupid--like intentionally blinding ourselves. That said, statistically, Williams should worry about the drive to the airport way more than the chance some terrorist will hijack his plane.

Truth said...

"The only NPR offering I ever hear is Car Guys, so I can't name a single advertiser."

That's because public broadacast stations don't run advertising, dumbshit.

"I imagine NPR is unprepared forthe racial solidarity common among Blacks"

I don't know about that, but I know Twentieth-Century Fox was unprepared for the flop of "Avatar."

"When you fly, you are hideously vulnerable to hijacking and suicide jihad."

Oh yeah, it's happened about 12 times SINCE THE FUCKING AIRPLANE WAS INVENTED!

"The sista was flat-out denying the fact that Muslims brought down the towers."

No, I think she was flat-out denying the "fact" that Osama Bin-Laden issued a "stand down order to the U.S Air Force from a short-wave radio in a cave.

"Steve, over at the VC there's speculation the whole thing was set-up by Williams and Ailes to get Juan out of his NPR contract."

Dude, ya think?

"Poor Mr. Wiliams is crying all the way to the bank."

As are most people who just got fired.

"But, Juan is black and his remark was about Muslims. So, he's getting lots and lots of support from all around."

You mean to tell me that there are more Goldfarbs than Muhammads who own media outlets?

Knock me over with a feather asdfasdfasdf, as usual, your posts are indispensable here.

tommy said...

And then there's that top rabbi in Israel who straight out said last week that the life purpose of "goyim" was to serve Jews. Wonder if that guy's income will be affected in any way.

Here are two links to the story from the JPost and Haaretz:

The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews, according to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and a senior Sephardi adjudicator.

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,” he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat.

According to Yosef, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them... With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” Yosef said.

“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.

That is why gentiles were created,” he added.


The ADL stepped in to do damage control but, of course, the story invariably received negligible attention from the US media. (As Steve has noted before, the frankness of the Israeli media is refreshing.)

Jews outside the Orthodox fold treat Ovadia Yosef as a senile old man who has gone off the rocker. They will say the statements in no way are reflective of Judaism. The reality is that his comments are typical of Haredi and Hasidic Judaism and, to a much lesser extent, the conservative end of Modern Orthodoxy. The rabbi's perspective on gentiles is entirely typical of pre-modern Judaism in spite of what the likes of Judeophile historians such as Paul Johnson might have you believe. Such sentiments are at least as old as the Talmud itself.

Anonymous said...

Once in a while I'll listen to a podcast of a science topic on NPR.
Other than that, I avoid it because the male voices have always given me the creeps.

Someone on a blog described Harry Reid's voice as "pedophile-sounding." I thought that was a great description, and it occurred to me the guys on NPR sound like that too.

Mr. Anon said...

Pour encouragez les autres.

Anonymous said...

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/001041.html

Why Jews welcome Muslims

(Note: A greatly expanded version of this article was published at FrontPage Magazine in June 2004, and is also discussed at VFR)

Regarding the evident desire of Jewish organizations and Jewish intellectuals to keep admitting anti-Jewish Muslims into America, one of our regular contributors writes: “What we are witnessing is the gene that makes moths fly into candle flames, but in its human form—a form which must have the exact same nucleotide sequence as in the moth, because clearly it’s the exact same gene.”

As the writer suggests, a group phenomenon that seems to defy any rational explanation may be more explicable in terms of instinct. In this case, it seems to be the instinct to weaken a potentially anti-Semitic national majority by diversifying the nation, an instinct which may have served Jews in the past, or at least made sense in the abstract, but which under current circumstances—in America, the most philo-Semitic nation in the history of the world—is plainly suicidal. The sad truth is that once a collective thought pattern becomes established, it takes on a life of its own and becomes immune to reason.

headache said...

Whiskey,
let me fix that for you:

Jew > Muslim > Black > Hispanic > Gay > Female > White Guy > Christian

Anonymous said...

“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.

Kiryas Joel, New York: The great majority of its residents are Hasidic Jews who strictly observe the Torah and its commandments... More than two-thirds of residents live below the federal poverty line and 40% receive food stamps... According 2008 census figures, the village has the highest poverty rate in the nation, and the largest percentage of residents who receive food stamps...

New Square, New York: The per capita income for the village was $5,237. About 67.0% of families and 72.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 77.3% of those under age 18 and 14.7% of those age 65 or over...

Sylvia said...

As for Sylvia, of course you like him, because you're a timid white lady who's happy to have the cover of a black guy to hide behind against accusations of your being racist, "I'm not! Even though I don't agree with everything he says, I like Juan Williams!"

Lol, I'm Asian actually. I just like the guy, it's that simple.

Linda Worthheimer said...

Truth

That's because public broadcast stations don't run advertising, dumbshit.


Watch the potty mouth son. It has the opposite effect you think when you deploy it arguing points you are nakedly ignorant of - a common occurance when you rarely peek out behind your typical content-free snark.

In (real) truth, NPR does run advertising. Listen for phrases like "the Kaufman Foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Ford Foundation, Allstate, Merrick, The National Association of Realtors, Archer Daniels Midland, etc..." and you'll find them cited along with their latest marketing tag line along with underwriting credit.

Anonymous said...

Who ordered the firing? Was it Obama personally?

I can understand why Obama might be annoyed at Williams. Most of America voted for Obama on the understanding that he was Juan Williams. That is to say - black, liberal but reasonable, likable, modest, and intelligent. They got instead a guy who is black and intelligent but sadly lacking in any of the other character traits that has made Williams beloved on Fox.

The priceless quality that Williams shows on TV is the ability to respond to a new situation in an un-stereotyped fashion. Almost all of the talking heads on Fox enunciate either a rightist or a leftist viewpoint in a highly predictable manner. Williams isn't just a liberal parrot.

In the dark of the night Obama struggles with the recurring dream that someone will kidnap him and replace him with Juan Williams. Some Americans won't notice (They all look alike, you know). Most of the others will be relieved (He's become less insufferable). His wife and family would notice but hush it up lest they take away the sweet Williams and bring back the sour Obama.

If Williams were the first black President the Republicans wouldn't be doing very well in the run up to the midterms.

Obama suddenly realized "That SOB works for me!".

Albertosaurus

Anonymous said...

1993: A Black man (Jesse Jackson) comments on the anxiety-inducing behavior of Black men and no one blinks.

2010: A Black man (Juan Williams) comments on the anxiety-inducing behavior of Muslims and immediately loses his job and gets vigorously spat upon by his boss.

CHANGE: Muslims have officially overtaken Blacks in the American Hierarchy Of Victims(TM).

And it's only fair, really. What have Muslims done to us between 1993-2010 that could possibly justify the sort of horrific oppression they face every day in America?

-Topsy-Turvy

Anonymous said...

Chris said... "And then there's that top rabbi in Israel who straight out said last week that the life purpose of "goyim" was to serve Jews."

It's a cookbook.

-Topsy-Turvy

none of the above said...

Anon:

How do you know how many Muslims would blow up planes in the us, were we not preventing it? Seriously, where is your data?

Most airport security is a joke--much more cumbersome and apparently little more effective now than pre-9/11. (The DHS runs tests where agents try to slip guns and bombs onto planes, and they succeed surprisingly often.) There are apparently a couple million Muslims living here. (The Wikipedia article on Muslims in the US has several sourced estimates.). No planes have blown up since 9/11, and there have been only two attempts reported--both from overseas.

I don't see how that's consistent with the idea that more that a tiny fraction of Muslims have any interest in blowing up planes.

The threat from Al Qaida is real, but way oversold, as far as I can tell. Morphing this into a threat from the whole Muslim world is intentional, systematic, stupidity. It gets votes and sells papers and justifies zillion dollar no bid military contracts, but it's as disconnected from reality as the notion that we can close the performance gap with more testing and more green ivy leaguers as teachers in inner city schools, or the notion that we're going to run our economy on wind power.

Brent Lane said...

In (real) truth, NPR does run advertising. Listen for phrases like "the Kaufman Foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Ford Foundation, Allstate, Merrick, The National Association of Realtors, Archer Daniels Midland, etc..." and you'll find them cited along with their latest marketing tag line along with underwriting credit.

This is absolutely correct. NPR/PBS affiliates can also enlist the paid support of local businesses.

In the public TV world, there are some specific restrictions on content, i.e. no 'call to action' can be spoken/displayed/implied, but you will frequently see underwriting announcements that use the same elements (graphics, video and audio) that appear in a company's current ads on commercial networks. (As an aside, these rules against blatant advertising are strictly enforced, with one notable exception: V-Me, the Spanish-language channel carried via DTV multicast in most markets by PBS affiliates, regularly runs :30 second spots that are merely Spanish-language versions of paid commericals. No explanation why they aren't restricted the way other public stations are.)

It's a cookbook.

OK, I laughed. Well played.

Anonymous said...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/10/the_baehr_essentials_18.html


Particularly embarrassing in this episode is the role played by liberal Jewish women -- Vivian Schiller, CEO of NPR (a big fan of the former Soviet Union) and Ellen Weiss, the Executive VP of the news division of NPR, who fired Williams over the phone (Weiss is the wife of Rabbi David Saperstein). I guess their actions fall under the heading of Tikkun Olam.

Anonymous said...

I got nervous once when I saw an Arab guy who - judging by his tan lines and mild skin abrasion- had very recently shaved his beard. He was dressed business casual and desperately avoided eye contact or conversation and seemed to be sweating slightly lightly. The guys in the garb don't scare me, but I don't blame Juan for it.

none of the above said...

Re: NPR and commercials

I suspect that NPR is much less susceptible to influence from its sponsors than commercial networks/newspapers are from their sponsors and their corporate parents. (It's especially fun watching TV coverage of net neutrality, where the parent companies of the networks all have big financial stakes in the issue.)

But I just can't imagine there's not a certain amount of influence there. I've certainly heard NPR segments where the story and the sponsor announcement overlapped awfully conveniently, and on one occasion, it was a story that seemed seriously skewed toward the sponsor.

David said...

Peter A said

>You have to be pretty ignorant of basic statistics if "people wearing Muslim garb on airplanes" makes you "worried" and "nervous." [...] Muslims don't wear distinctive clothing<

Sadly, Peter A, people are too fearful to say what they are really thinking. So I'll say it.

It isn't the garb. It's the ethnicity: non-Jewish Middle Easterner - often, Arab.

Yes, I went there. Woo-hoo!

Of course the garb is worn sometimes, and is nerve-wracking enough in certain contexts (such as boarding a commercial flight). But no matter the garb, if the person is visibly Arab for example, e.g., swarthy with pronounced dark circles under the eyes, bizarrely angry in bearing and appearance, plus youngish and male for good measure, that's the true object of fear. That's what people mean. Witness all those (true?) reports of misguided individuals getting upset with inoffensive bowling-shirted Patels on 9/11.

The ethnicity is taken as a tip-off of the ideology. They are of that ethnicity, so they are likelier to be fanatical Islamists. As against little old white ladies from Dubuque.

The garb issue is kind of a smokescreen that pro-Juan'ers float in an attempt to avoid being called "racist." It ain't the skin that tips off the ideology, they say, it's the threads - lame but superficially plausible.

But it isn't called "apparel profiling" or even really "religious profiling," is it?

Oh, you mentioned not understanding stats. So I'll perform the standard take-down on that.

You said:

>Millions of Muslims fly everyday and don't blow up planes.<

While most Muslims aren't anti-American terrorists, most anti-American terrorists are Muslims. Back to Stats 101 for you, Pete, or just draw some sets.

Victoria said...

NPR/PBS affiliates can also enlist the paid support of local businesses.

Yes, in addition to those big-time advertisers whose names get mentioned on air, there are the thousands of little businesses around the country, to say nothing of the millions of individual donors. This is why it's so outrageous that these creeps get government taxpayer money, as well. I could never understand that new deal that they got worked out, in order to pull off this money-making stunt.

Anonymous said...

"Particularly embarrassing in this episode is the role played by liberal Jewish women --"


They aren't liberal! Jefferson was liberal. These chicks are commies that hate Americans.

Mr. Anon said...

"none of the above said...

I don't see how that's consistent with the idea that more that a tiny fraction of Muslims have any interest in blowing up planes.

The threat from Al Qaida is real, but way oversold, as far as I can tell. Morphing this into a threat from the whole Muslim world is intentional, systematic, stupidity."

What you say is true. Apparently there aren't that many really good terrorists. Mohammed Atta and his crew were outliers.

However, if we did not allow arabs and/or muslims into this country in any great numbers (as we used to do) and if we stopped sticking our noses into other people's business in the mideast, then we would have virtually no problems on this score. None. We don't need muslims in this country - they're simply more trouble than they're worth. And the rest of us could go back to NOT being treated like criminals when we use the airports that WE have paid for. But or course, this is not going to happen for a variety of reasons.

Roger Chaillet said...

Muslims "scare" Juan Williams?

What kind?

The swarthy, hirsute ones?

Or the family I sat next to on a flight to Baltimore last year?

The mother was wearing a hijab. The father was dressed in casual clothes. The pre-teen daughter had an iPod; she was dressed as any other American kid. Oh yeah, the toddler had beautiful blue eyes and gorgeous ringlets of blond hair.

The family was white.

Probably Bosnian.

So, is Juan Williams a bigot?

Or a racist?

Roger Chaillet said...

NPR: National Propaganda Radio.

All Things Considered should be relabeled all All DVGs Defended.

With thanks to John Derbyshire.

Anonymous said...

Back to Stats 101 for you, Pete, or just draw some sets.

Venn diagrams.

Anonymous said...

No good analysis comes from Juan Williams, but I assume he helps sell soap. Mr. Sailer, you should be offended by the notion that he's anything other than an entertainer, since you have less recognition but make a greater contribution to good faith public epistemology. I'm partial towards paternalistic labeling requirements of the "for entertainment purposes only" variety, like psychic hotline commercials have to use.

Hopefully Anonymoous

http://www.hopeanon.typepad.com

David said...

Roger, stop playing dumb. We know them when we see them. So did some people who came into contact with a few of the hijackers just prior to 9/11. Only, these people felt afraid to report their misgivings - because that would be "racist."

For all its failings, Israel would laugh to scorn any feeble, hair-spitting, college-bull-session uncertainty about malign swarthies. And good for them.

We just haven't awakened yet. Despite terrorist attacks on our cities. Like Goofy, we're unsticking our sleepy eyes and saying, "Garsh! How can we tell who is who? Prob'ly impossible - and I shorely don't want to discriminate...(Yawn)...Maybe the fair thing to do is go back to sleep!"

Anonymous said...

Personna Non Grata said,

"All this may simply be because the producer Rene Balcer is married to a Jewish woman and has ties to Israel, he was a journalist in Israel during the Yom Kippur war. He may even be Jewish himself, but I have no idea."

Where do you get your information that he's married to a Jewish woman? I think you're in error. As for his so-called ties to Israel, he was a cameraman covering the Yom Kippur War -- how does that constitute "ties to Israel".