August 7, 2010

The Tyranny of Guilt

From a review by Eric Kaufman in the fine British magazine Prospect of French intellectual Pascal Bruckner's The Tyranny of Guilt: An Essay on Western Masochism:
There is more, too, to be said about guilt itself. Could it be that making guilty noises signals sophistication and status, with the high priests of the left earning psychic wages equivalent to bankers’ bonuses? Or, given the collapse of ideology, are we witnessing a new form of spontaneous guilt, where ideas such as socialism give way to knee-jerk impulses like “my comfort makes me guilty.”

Personally, I don't think we need particularly sophisticated psychological theories about "white guilt." I haven't noticed many people particularly wracked by personal guilt over race. Instead, it's more an effective tool for people to get what they want from other people, money, power, admiration, or to reassure themselves that they are better than other people. For lots of people, the mentality of white guilt is simply the substance in which they swim, and they are no more inclined to stop and think about it than a fish thinks about water.

Which brings us to yet another Associated Press article, this one from mid-day Saturday, carefully sifting for evidence for the role of white racism in causing the Manchester Massacre.

The Associated Press delivers to its subscribers plain-vanilla news reporting from its reporters across the country, so these articles represent how plain vanilla journalists perceive how they are supposed to think in 21st Century America. These articles display the conceptual water in which these fish thoughtlessly swim.

Although the evidence dredged up so far appears to have been in the stupid and resentful mind of a thieving mass murderer, he was a black stupid and resentful thieving mass murderer, so attention must be paid. 
NEW HAVEN, Conn. — To those closest to him, Omar Thornton was caring, quiet and soft-spoken. He was excited to land a well-paying job at a beer delivery company a few years ago and his longtime girlfriend says they talked of marrying and having children.

But underneath, Thornton seethed with a sense of racial injustice for years that culminated in a shooting rampage Tuesday in which the Connecticut man killed eight and wounded two others at his job at Hartford Distributors in Manchester before killing himself.

"I know what pushed him over the edge was all the racial stuff that was happening at work," said his girlfriend, Kristi Hannah. ...

Thornton, who grew up in the Hartford area, complained about racial troubles on the job long before he worked at Hartford Distributors.

"He always felt like he was being discriminated (against) because he was black," said Jessica Anne Brocuglio, his former girlfriend. "Basically they wouldn't give him pay raises. He never felt like they accepted him as a hard working person."

One time Thornton had a confrontation with a white co-worker who used a racial slur against him, she said. Thornton changed jobs a few times because he was not getting raises, Brocuglio said.

"I'm sick of having to quit jobs and get another job because they can't accept me," she said he told her.

Brocuglia, who said she dated Thornton until eight years ago, said Thornton helped her become a certified nursing aide. She said he never drank or smoked and remained calm, even when she would yell or grab him.

"He was such a caring person," said Brocuglia, who is white. "He showed me so much love. He was like a teddy bear."

Brocuglio's sister, Toni, said Thornton would come home and say co-workers called him racial slurs. He was also upset by comments made by passers-by about the interracial couple, she said.

"He just didn't understand why people had so much hatred in their lives," Toni Brocuglio said.

Brocuglio said Thornton put her family up in a hotel after a fire at her house and was "like a second dad" to her children.

"Omar was the best man I ever met in my life," Brocuglio said.

Thornton ran into his own troubles a decade ago when he filed for bankruptcy protection.

His debts were discharged in 2001 and the case was closed.

Around that time, Thornton was hired as a driver with Chemstation New England, a chemical company in South Windsor. But he was let go after 10 months, unable to master the mechanical skills involved handling the equipment, said Bruce LeFebvre, the owner.

"He was a real nice kid when he was with us," LeFebvre said. "Certainly I would never have expected anything like this from him."

... Thornton and his mother were especially excited when Barack Obama was elected the first African American president, Hannah said. He listed Obama and the gun range among his interests on his Facebook page.

But Hannah said he showed her cell phone photos of racist graffiti in the bathroom at the beer company and overheard a company official using a racial epithet in reference to him, but a union representative did not return his phone calls. Police said they recovered the phone and forensics experts would examine it.

"Nothing else bothered him except these comments he would make about them doing the racial things to him," Hannah said. 

98 comments:

Tanstaafl said...

Thornton seethed with a sense of racial injustice for years that culminated in a shooting rampage

The anti-White "anti-racist" regime aided, abetted, and now excuses these murders.

"I know what pushed him over the edge was all the racial stuff that was happening at work," said his girlfriend, Kristi Hannah.

What pushed him over the edge was anti-White "anti-racism".

Anonymous said...

So, will the authorities ever come out and show us what was on his cell phone?

Anonymous said...

I think the 'racism' was in the murderer's mind. It was his convenient explanation for why he could not get ahead.

(The chemical company said he could not learn to use the equipment. That is a big clue.)

Anonymous said...

Omar figured if he could bed white women...he should be able to "master" the white man...and when he would fail...he got angry...that despite all his power over white women...he would never master the white male...only in death

department11 said...

Steve, I think it's time you provided some context here about facile blacks can be in processing the concept of "racism." Remember the S.F. baseball assault I related to you from 1982? Why not post it for readers?

Anonymous said...

I've been reading some comments on the web in reader talkback forums. One of the commenters said that the murder-victims deserved death simply because there weren't more blacks/minorities on staff and there's a *chorus* of leftwing voices declaring that the murders were justice for "racism". We don't even know *what* "racism" (if any) occured. If I am to understand correctly, if one WASP staff-member is overheard saying to another WASP staff-member that he doesn't feel absolutely worshipful toward blacks/jews/fill-in-the-blank, that gives the minority staff-members an absolute unconditional right to mass-murder. I keep having to pinch myself to check that this isn't just a bad dream.

Whiskey said...

No it is not a dream.

Check this commercial out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phe2SnvOAfw

There's another Lowes commercial running, a mother and daughter, both very blonde, helped out in a kitchen remodel by a wise Black woman at Lowes.

Here's another commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8thg6jf94xo

Note the target audience: Women. White women. You can see the same stuff with Home Depot -- ads for paint, gardening stuff. A major push for the female consumer. I can't think of when I saw an ad targeting men from either Lowes or Home Depot.

Part of the push is "reassurance" that the company shares their PC/Diversity values. I.E. a "noble Platonic lie" about the nature, demographically and otherwise, of non-Whites (and the utter dweebishness of White guys). See the first video, the husband with the baby carrier might as well be the fabulous gay best friend. Its fairly typical of how ads present White guys (stupid dweebs).

Part of this is how dominated ad agencies are by gays and young women, White and non-White. But a good chunk of it is that the message, in two parts, White guy = dweeb, Black guy = super! is eagerly received by Steve's "Nice White Ladies" who form the core audience/target.

That's also true of local news and newspapers, both of which are overwhelmingly female in production and targets.

You can also see who does NOT get nailed for using the n-word, and other stuff: Big Men. Mel Gibson has Whoopi Goldberg defending him on the View. Why? He's a big man. Michael Richards, or Don Imus, not so much.

That's a massive indicator arrow (non-Big Man White guys murdered are "racist" and Mel uses the N-Word and is defended by Whoopi) about what the dynamics are.

Which means it won't change anytime soon.

Anonymous said...

"Thornton, who grew up in the Hartford area, complained about racial troubles on the job long before he worked at Hartford Distributors.

"He always felt like he was being discriminated (against) because he was black," said Jessica Anne Brocuglio, his former girlfriend. "Basically they wouldn't give him pay raises. He never felt like they accepted him as a hard working person.""

I wonder if the journalist of this story is trying to get in the point that this guy was always feeling aggrieved no matter what (later the former boss basically notes the guy was incompetent).

With blacks it doesn't matter whether they do get pay raises or don't get pay raises, they're always feeling aggrieved. I work in a professional job. There is one black guy in my position. He is COMPLETELY incompetent, deeply surly, cocky, expecting his supervisor to be his lackey, etc. He has been given rewards, bonuses, and promotions which come at the expense of the rest of us (there is only so much bonus money and awards to go around). He was NEVER satisfied and always complaining and threatening to get more and more and more. Finally upper management got sick of him after he screwed up multiple projects and caused a lot of issues with outside people and so they tried to reign him in. He is borderline nuts and his attitude is just like that of this thieving murderer.

How likely do you think it is that the bosses at my job--liberal though they may be--are going to be looking to hire a black guy? After his threats, attitude, and incompetence I would say not too likely, affirmative action or not. Not fair to the competent blacks out there, but until their more attitudinal brothers cut the crap, that's what'll happen.

Worst thing to be said...

Until being a "racist" stops being among the worst things to be in the US, expect more of the same. I would like to see a poll on the subject of what is the worst thing to be. That is, what would they be most ashamed to be thought - what would they most be ashamed of one their relatives for being - who would they hope the worst for? Here's my guess of how it would poll:

1. Pedophile
2. Racist
3. Rapist
4. Terrorist
4. Woman beater
5. Murderer
6. Child Abuser
7. Animal Abuser
8. General Criminal(rob, steal,etc)
9. Drug dealer
10. Sexist

Anonymous said...

Note that the guy who wrote the book about masochistic white guilt is Jewish, while the guy who wrote the tendentious anti-white AP article is a Gentile.

Anonymous said...

Steve's criticism is correct, but the AP still accomplished their goal. Which is....

Whenever a black hurts whites it must NEVER be attributed to black hatred or racism. And Black crime must never be attributed to a dislike of whites.

Liberals live in fear that one day all us white "rednecks" are going to start thinking racially (like Blacks) and get upset at the 10-1 black/white murder ratio or the 100-1 black/white rape and robbery ratio.

travis said...

If I am to understand correctly, if one WASP staff-member is overheard saying to another WASP staff-member that he doesn't feel absolutely worshipful toward blacks/jews/fill-in-the-blank, that gives the minority staff-members an absolute unconditional right to mass-murder.

Yes. As long as the victims are not WASPs.

David said...

>There is one black guy in my position. He is COMPLETELY incompetent, deeply surly, cocky, expecting his supervisor to be his lackey, etc. He has been given rewards, bonuses, and promotions which come at the expense of the rest of us (there is only so much bonus money and awards to go around). He was NEVER satisfied and always complaining and threatening to get more and more and more. Finally upper management got sick of him after he screwed up multiple projects and caused a lot of issues with outside people and so they tried to reign him in. He is borderline nuts and his attitude is just like that of this thieving murderer.<

Don't take this the wrong way, but know where all the exits are in your building, and put 911 on your cell's speed dial. Not trying to be funny. The media have trumpeted across the nation that killing white people at work for perceived (imagined) "racism" is okay; every black in America is listening to this, and absorbing the message.

Would like to know if any public voice is condemning this mass-murder unconditionally.

Anonymous said...

1. Pedophile
2. Racist
3. Rapist
4. Terrorist
4. Woman beater
5. Murderer
6. Child Abuser
7. Animal Abuser
8. General Criminal(rob, steal,etc)
9. Drug dealer
10. Sexist


Nonsense, if racist gets up that high it's got to be first. ;)

Actually, I suspect it is probably closer to #9 on that list... if we are being fair.

Liberals do like to have racists around otherwise they can't use them to get ahead.

Harry Baldwin said...

Whiskey said... Part of this is how dominated ad agencies are by gays and young women, White and non-White. . .

Having worked at several NY ad agencies, I agree about the gays and women. Non-white women? I've yet to see a NAM in the creative department or in any management position. If you mean Asian, yes, some.

As for the commercials you cite in which a white woman is helped by a wise, caring, considerate NAM, you can add this one to your collection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrWW7wCT8uY

David said...

>He listed Obama and the gun range among his interests on his Facebook page.<

Sometime I want to be a Jew, so I can say "Oy."

I'll say it anyway. Oy.

Dahlia said...

Whiskey said,
"But a good chunk of it is that the message, in two parts, White guy = dweeb, Black guy = super! is eagerly received by Steve's "Nice White Ladies" who form the core audience/target."

Is Steve's wife like this, you think? Or any of the women here? What about center-Right women? Women who consider themselves part of the tea party movement? Mothers of white sons??

Whiskey, in my experience, 100% of the time, when a guy makes an "all women" claim, but then is forced to say "well, you are an exception" it means: The woman/women I'm attracted to is "all women"; the rest are invisible.
________

Lawrence Auster had a key insight that I had been thinking for awhile myself: those who most eagerly want to help blacks due to liberal beliefs are the most likely to be victimized.

Relatedly, I couldn't help but think of the time I recommended a black guy as driver where my husband worked at the time (which I mentioned once on this blog). Hindsight is 20/20 and there was no union, but my guy was the polar opposite of this killer. A church-going married family man, he has been there for years now and is so perfectly suited and good that he'll probably retire from there. I've been wondering if, since political correctness makes one stupid, are all blacks kind of the same to these liberals?
_______

Last thought, the majority of working adults and college students have probably experienced someone like Omar and love to share their stories and see who dealt with the worst Omar: the black person who is in over his head, knows it, but blames it on "racism" and is hostile to his co-workers/classmates. It will be like the Mel Gibson story: the media screaming at everyone to care about it and see it their way, but to no effect.

Anonymous said...

Note that the guy who wrote the book about masochistic white guilt is Jewish


I don't think Pascal Bruckner is Jewish. I could be wrong, but I've been unable to find any evidence that he is Jewish.

Steve Sailer said...

The linked review in Prospect refers to "Bruckner's Jewish heritage."

Anonymous said...

"Last thought, the majority of working adults and college students have probably experienced someone like Omar and love to share their stories and see who dealt with the worst Omar: the black person who is in over his head, knows it, but blames it on "racism" and is hostile to his co-workers/classmates."

I second that thought. I've experienced more than one Omar. Incompetent+paranoid=seriously hostile black man. (By the way, I'm also a woman and agree with your first comment as well).

I give up said...

Okay, up 'til now I've resisted, quite manfully I think, pointing this out, but:

The men Thornton shot were victims of white anti-racism. Almost certainly the beer distributor coddled Thornton for some time because managers feared being accused of racism if they fired him (he was probably an affirmative-action hire in the first place).

If the beer distributed had fired Thornton when they noticed he was a dimwit with a chip on his shoulder instead of waiting until they caught him stealing the goods he was supposed to be delivering, they would have saved 8 lives and a hell of a lot of grief.

l said...

SWPLs think other white people are guilty and deserve to be punished. It's always a mystery to them why people like them are sometimes hit by minority violence.

Anonymous said...

They keep talking about the shooter's labor union membership, and how his shop steward helped him get promoted from helper to driver.

Is that union under a Title VII consent decree or some such? I mean, a lot of Boston unions are.

Maybe that's the issue. Thornton shot up a bunch of middle-aged white men who were forced to keep a dangerous lunatic around because the union needed him to fill a quota.

Starker said...

We have an unstable situation in the U.S. The white man brought Africans (now about 38 million), millions of Latin Americans and countless other international all-stars to do work that he should have done himself. It didn't work out so well. These folks brought the ways of Africa, Latin America etc. along with them.

Despite their partial assimilation, many of the old ways remain. As the philosopher Roissy has said, "proximity + diversity = war." I'd substitute "serious conflict" for "war," but his point largely stands. It's possible we are a couple of shots away from Civil War II. Consider: one of our many riots jumps the tracks and winds up in white suburbia. The homeowner, who is often a gun owner, sees a slugger from the Crips or MS-13 crossing his lawn and approaching the area where his wife and children are sleeping. He lights them up (shoots them) and we're off. Retaliation ensues and we might quickly pass the point of no return.

The MSM's job is to keep the "lid on the garbage can" as a N.Y. cop described his own job in a related context. They are the public relations arm of our rulers. The Nazis were honest enough to have a Ministry of Propaganda. We have the MSM. The one-size-fits-all explanation for colored folks' misbehavior is "white racism." The media seems to have no Plan B and this one seems to work every time anyway.

To be clear, I see black men loving it up with their small children every day of my life. I've also seen more racial hatred directed at me and other white folks from blacks and Africanized American-born Latinos -- Dominicans and Ricans -- than the late brother Omar could imagine in his worst nightmares. I'll spare you the details, for now.

We're stuck with them and, from their point of view, vice versa, to be fair. It's hard to imagine that this event will do anything other than increase the hostility of many white people to blacks, but then I read other commenters saying that at liberal blogs the readers' remarks indicate that they swallowed Thornton's racism excuses whole. We live in interesting times.

headache said...

Dahlia said...

Lawrence Auster had a key insight that I had been thinking for awhile myself: those who most eagerly want to help blacks due to liberal beliefs are the most likely to be victimized.

The boers in South Africa who are atively dealing with the syndicates operating against them are usually very firm with their black employees and blacks they deal with. They are fair, but strict. They don't take any nonsense or chances since their lives may depend on them. These people are subjected to far more attacks than city liberals, but they survive. coz they play by the black mans' rules.

Anonymous said...

Thornton was a member of Teamsters Union Local 1035.

Udolpho.com said...

It's pretty obvious he was paranoid. The only people who back him up are hearsay third parties. No one he has ever worked with.

Anonymous said...

As Steve has pointed out many a time class as well as race is involved.

In terms of race, there's a disconnect between the MSM world and what people say publicly and how people REALLY behave.

In the public world, people say they are colorblind and any black crime or poverty is caused by nasty white men and their evil racism. MLK is a saint and African Americans are all judges, doctors, and Army officers.

In the real world, no one believes this. Whites don't mind being around a small percentage of blacks but once its gets too high, they move. In the real world, everyone avoids black neighborhoods, and views any young black man as a possible threat. If you see a black person in college or a high level job, the immediate assumption, usually correct, is that he/she is an affirmative action baby, who never would've made it on merit.

In the MSM world of make believe the shooter was a victim of "racism" in the real world we know he was probably another black headcase, a AA baby who was hired and kept employed because of his race.

none of the above said...

Most white guilt is pure signaling. As Robin Hanson would say, anti-racism isn't about race.

The irony here is that really buying the moral premises of white guilt would soon lead to far more racism from whites. If we're all to blame for the evil acts of everyone with our skin color, how do all the decent, hard working blacks avoid bearing the blame for black crime, drug use, high HIV rates, illegitimacy, welfare, etc.? But since white guilt isn't about race, this sort of concern never comes up.

Fred said...

The best defense is a good offense. If you just cover up in the corner, they'll keep pounding on you. Hollander should start punching back.

Step 1, confirm with his private eye that Thornton's girlfriend was involved in his beer stealing. If she was, go to the police and press charges. If she wasn't, dig up other dirt on her.

Step 2, sue the ex-girlfriend, Thornton's family, and anyone else who made unsupported claims of racism against the company for defamation. Sue any reporter who did the same too.

Step 3, hold a press conference while the bodies are still warm and shame the press for giving credence to Thornton's unfounded claims of racism, while dishing out dirt on Thornton and his girlfriend and contrasting them with the good lives lived by the men he killed.

Truth said...

"Omar figured if he could bed white women...he should be able to "master" the white man...and when he would fail...he got angry...that despite all his power over white women...he would never master the white male...only in death"

Good going there, Amazing Kreskin.

Truth said...

"Here's my guess of how it would poll:"

"Racist" is worse than "Murderer" huh? That's right Christopher Langan, that's why the jail sentence is longer.

Anonymous said...

Note that the guy who wrote the book about masochistic white guilt is Jewish, while the guy who wrote the tendentious anti-white AP article is a Gentile.

"HIS MASTER'S VOICE"

Anonymous said...

Steve, can you please slow down. Half the fun of your blog is reading the threads. But at your recent posting rate the threads don't get much of a chance to develop. Granted we like fresh posts, but let us run with a post for a bit before you add more.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

John Christoffersen, The New Haven Register: Around that time, Thornton was hired as a driver with Chemstation New England, a chemical company in South Windsor. But he was let go after 10 months, unable to master the mechanical skills involved handling the equipment, said Bruce LeFebvre, the owner.

Anonymous: I think the 'racism' was in the murderer's mind. It was his convenient explanation for why he could not get ahead. (The chemical company said he could not learn to use the equipment. That is a big clue.)

I give up: The men Thornton shot were victims of white anti-racism. Almost certainly the beer distributor coddled Thornton for some time because managers feared being accused of racism if they fired him (he was probably an affirmative-action hire in the first place).

Anonymous: Maybe that's the issue. Thornton shot up a bunch of middle-aged white men who were forced to keep a dangerous lunatic around because the union needed him to fill a quota.

Arthur Hu, in his Wonderlic-to-IQ conversion table, estimates that the Wonderlic people would like to see an IQ of "100 to 108" in a "Driver, bus or truck".

My guess is that Thornton probably had an IQ no higher than about 90 [he needed to be just smart enough to sweet-talk the white girls into sleeping with him], but that the chemical company was asking him to operate equipment which required an IQ out towards 105 or 110, and he just couldn't deal with it.

So I'm guessing that, in his final job, with the beer distributorship, either the union or the distributorship's management was trying to force a black with an IQ of about 90 into a job which had an IQ requirement about a standard deviation higher than that.

If I'm right, then it would be like asking a kindergarten teacher [IQ 115] to become a surgeon [IQ 130].

And no - he would never have gotten the gig if he hadn't been a quota hire.

Anonymous said...

Meant to add: The kindergarten teacher [IQ-115] could never legitimately become a surgeon because [on average] she wouldn't be able to ace her Organic Chemistry courses [or her two semesters of Calculus, or her semester of Physics].

I.e. on average, the kindergarten teacher would need a quota admission to medical school, followed by a quota admission to the surgical residency, if she wanted to become a surgeon.

Steve Sailer said...

"Steve, can you please slow down."

I'm mostly just cutting and pasting. There's less and less need for me to come up parodies because my material is getting written for me by the mainstream media.

Anonymous said...

"If you see a black person in college or a high level job, the immediate assumption, usually correct, is that he/she is an affirmative action baby, who never would've made it on merit."

How correct is the assumption? I'm just curious, haven't run the numbers.

Black cop, no other info. What odds are there that they're not affirmative action?

Same with black physician, corporate manager, and school teacher, to name the four we're most likely to encounter in daily life.

Without other info, I'm guessing for an individual black in a selective occupation, there's a 1:3 chance they're there on merit. How true is that? I'm not interested in silly rare occupations like astronaut or history professor.

Hopefully Anonymous
http://www.hopeanon.typepad.com

Anonymous said...

Any honest psychiatrist worth his salt will tell you that the rate of schizophrenia amongst afro-americans is mind-bogglingly enormous.
Mostly it isn't even linked to marijuana abuse.

Anonymous said...

I have been in situations where I've been assisted because I knew someone on the 'inside' and they fed me information about what was really happening. Could this guy's history of being with white girls have contributed to his perception of racism at his places of employment?

Maybe the girls were filling his head with ideas of what white folks do in private, because they obviously have been in private with whites and know what whites really think. I am sure blacks wonder what whites think about them behind closed doors just like whites do about blacks.

Maybe when he came home from work and mentioned things, the white girls 'translated' what he described at work into what they thought it actually meant.

Gc said...

The white guilt comes down to christian ethics. Sure, it is hypocrisy, it couldn`t exist in other but in some pervert form, , but the white guilt couldn`t live even as an ideal without christianity. Actual christian ethics is utter crazyness and maybe this is what gives it is otherworldness, which people confuse with holyness. It`s lot more like liberal ethics than conservative ethics, if we look at the new testament, which at least in Lutherianism has the final say.

CuChulainn said...

“SWPLs think other white people are guilty and deserve to be punished. It's always a mystery to them why people like them are sometimes hit by minority violence.”

- Truths about race are a mystery to SWPL types because they rarely live in contact with substantial populations of blacks, and those blacks they are in contact with are several std. deviations above the black norm. As a result they can comfortably maintain their delusion that the failure and violence of most blacks is due to “white oppression”. Even though I was hit over the head with the White Oppression model like everyone else through the classroom and media every day growing up too, it didn’t stick because I went to a public school in a city where a third of the population was black. No amount of what I was told I should believe could overcome what I saw with my own eyes day in and day out. In a way, there is a silver lining to the ever-increasing populations of NAMs- more white kids will avoid becoming PC drones, no matter how much the MSM and schools crank up the nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Larry Auster has a link to a brilliant Tracey Ulmman skit about death row marriages and people like Kristi Hannah.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe when he came home from work and mentioned things, the white girls 'translated' what he described at work into what they thought it actually meant."

Interesting hypothesis. Based on what's come out so far, there's no doubt that these girls were enabling his victim mentality.

Anonymous said...

I have a good guess about the subject matter for tonight's VDARE column.

Anonymous said...

Almost certainly the beer distributor coddled Thornton for some time because managers feared being accused of racism if they fired him (he was probably an affirmative-action hire in the first place).
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

I said essentially the same thing in Steve's previous posting on this subject (Part VI?) plus adding a short version of my own "Omar Story", which I won't repeat here.

In my case, I was summoned upstairs to add what I could to help the organization I worked for fight the racism charges. I was asked if I thought that he was actually capable of doing the work. I told them that I didn't know because I'd never seen any work he'd actually completed. That got a chuckle.

I suspect that he was just arguing that he could too do the work! It's just that nobody MADE him do it! I know that sounds far-fetched but you had to know this guy.....

Kylie said...

Truth said..."'Racist' is worse than 'Murderer' huh? That's right Christopher Langan, that's why the jail sentence is longer."

"Racist" sure seemed to be worse than "murderer" in the OJ case. Mark Fuhrman was convicted of lying under oath about using the "n" word while OJ walked in the savage murders of two people.

Don't bother with a "It didn't fit so they had to acquit" rebuttal.

Anonymous said...

The white guilt comes down to christian ethics. Sure, it is hypocrisy, it couldn`t exist in other but in some pervert form, , but the white guilt couldn`t live even as an ideal without christianity. Actual christian ethics is utter crazyness and maybe this is what gives it is otherworldness, which people confuse with holyness. It`s lot more like liberal ethics than conservative ethics, if we look at the new testament, which at least in Lutherianism has the final say.

White guilt hasn't even been proven to exist - you think they REALLLLLY care about anybody other than themselves? - and you come up with a clever theory like this to explain it all?

White guilt is simply a euphemism for the phenomenon of status posturing. It is through this social game white people can feel superior over other white people who "don't feel guilty", who therefore have unrealised genocidal Nazi potential and cannot be trusted with money or power.

That's it. Simple as.

worst thing ever said...

Truth said:
"Racist" is worse than "Murderer" huh? That's right Christopher Langan, that's why the jail sentence is longer."


Racisim is a thought crime and most of those don’t come with jail sentences. We have some free speech protection left over from the Constitution to protect expression of it. That doesn’t mean the public thinks that the act of holding/expressing such a view is less immoral than murdering. To find out what they think, you would really have to poll them.
But consider that murder carries with it a hefty sentence. This shows that the public does indeed believe that murder is immoral. Consider that murder coupled with racism carries a higher sentence and is a “hate crime.” Thus, nonracist murder < racist murder.
Consider that movies and TV glorify some murderers. From gangsters to serial killers, it is clearly acceptable (if controversial) to sympathize with murderers. Racism may not be portrayed in a sympathetic manner.
But. Without a poll, the easiest way to compare the two is to consider from the public’s point of view the question: is a black man morally justified if he murders people who treated him in a racist way? Isn’t that what this whole story is about? Was this guy justified in killing these white folks? I think that if there had been serious smoking gun evidence of systematic discrimination against Thornton, a good percentage of the public would say that he was justified in killing them. If they believe that he was justified in killing the racists, it could only be so because being racist is worse than being a murderer.

David said...

>Maybe when he came home from work and mentioned things, the white girls 'translated' what he described at work into what they thought it actually meant.<

That's right, pal, always blame whites no matter how much you have to twist logic, reason, and your mind into spaghetti to do it. This is a real mental sickness on the part of some whites. It's a perverse narcissism: "It's always our fault" is another way of saying "It's always about us."

Maybe the black guy was just a shit. Ever think of that?

Nah. Keep lashing your back with a whip, your eyes fixed firmly on your naval.

David said...

>that's why the jail sentence is longer<

The sentence for the white victims was death.

Truth picks his battles well, doesn't he? Defending a racist mass-murderer rouses him to type away.

Anonymous said...

Am I just seeing things or does this sound like another wholesome kind of middle class, good family white chick name?


Jessica Anne Brocuglio

Udolpho.com said...

Affirmative action is like wearing lifts. That's why asking "but are some blacks in their position purely on merit" makes little sense. They all get the boost, and the higher up you go on the cognitive scale, the bigger the boost has to be to matter. (Result: daffy posts by Half Sigma that Barack Obama is maybe a genius--in reality he's probably no smarter than Sarah Palin.)

They all get the boost. The guy who works at a beer distributor and seems like a good worker and is also black will always have that affirmative action bonus--he makes me and my company look good just by doing work at a level that would be unremarkable for anyone else. I can point to him with pride as an example of how virtuous I am, and how we can all live together in harmony (until he shoots me in the face).

Or take Truth's posts here. The fact that he can string sentences together already elevates him far above the ghetto dweller who can barely talk without drooling. He's mostly just hustling, but a liberal would probably spot him a good 30 IQ points for his passive aggressive race talk (hopefully he doesn't own a gun).

Anonymous said...

"My guess is that Thornton probably had an IQ no higher than about 90 [he needed to be just smart enough to sweet-talk the white girls into sleeping with him],"

You seem to be assuming that a minimal level of intelligence is required to shag a skanky girl from New Haven. I'm not so sure.

Anonymous said...

"So I'm guessing that, in his final job, with the beer distributorship, either the union or the distributorships management was trying to force a black with an IQ of about 90 into a job which had an IQ requirement about a standard deviation higher than that."

Isn't this true for blacks in general? No matter what simple procedural job you give them, before long they begin to act overwhelmed. Their coping strategies include staying out of sight to avoid being assigned new tasks, setting up a defensive force field of rudeness and refusal to accept criticism, and just pestering white colleagues with questions until they do the work for them.

The work place inevitably feeds blacks' sense of whites being unfair to them: blacks have to work sooo hard (at simple jobs), yet they get paid sooo little. It never occurs to them that in most private sector occupations salary is commensurate with real productivity. This is why Mexicans clean up in the unskilled job market. They have a 5 point edge in IQ, they don't show 'tude, and they work steadily.

However, blacks do well in corporate team jobs. They make good social facilitators and entertainers. But don't bother going to them with your advanced question about Java or Excel.

Truth be told, Thornton was probably fired from the chemical company not for lack of productivity but for creating a situation where he was decreasing the productivity of those around him.

Anonymous said...

In today's San Jose Mercury News:

Wave of violence alarms Surf City

... and Latinos worry about backlash.

Gotta throw that in, eh, 'cause it's all Whitey's fault.

Mr. Anon said...

""He was such a caring person," said Brocuglia, who is white. "He showed me so much love. He was like a teddy bear.""

And yet, she left him. Maybe there's a story there.

"Brocuglio's sister, Toni, said Thornton would come home and say co-workers called him racial slurs."

This is obviously complete horseshit. No white guy in the modern american workplace would call a black guy a name to his face. He knows that it would be job-suicide. Good-old boy southerners with confederate flag bumper-stickers know this. Thornton was just making it up, or he was a raving paranoid.

Anonymous said...

"Arthur Hu, in his Wonderlic-to-IQ conversion table, estimates that the Wonderlic people would like to see an IQ of "100 to 108" in a "Driver, bus or truck"."

The table says gays have an average IQ of 115?That's odd.

Anonymous said...

"My guess is that Thornton probably had an IQ no higher than about 90 [he needed to be just smart enough to sweet-talk the white girls into sleeping with him], "

I wish I was taught as a teenager that women are stupid enough to fall for this,then I wouldn't have put them on a pedestal.

headache said...

I am sure blacks wonder what whites think about them behind closed doors just like whites do about blacks.

Not so much since we know what they are thinking. They basically hate whites and want their money and the whites driven out. Nothing much there to wonder about.

snook said...

Without other info, I'm guessing for an individual black in a selective occupation, there's a 1:3 chance they're there on merit.

Obviously it depends on the trade/occupation. Blacks are naturally good at physical things which require endurance and repetition and have a higher danger level. Their athletic skills are known. I could believe a black cop would be OK on merit, in the old South Africa there were many black cops and back then AA was definitely NOT a gov. policy. In addition I met a few black soldiers I would not have enjoyed fighting against. Granted they were under a white command structure which brought out the best in them. I also think blacks do well in some difficult construction, mining and infrastructure jobs.

Obviously the hollywood meme of protraying them as astronauts, rocket sientists, doctors or bioligists is BS. Also many of the blacks in admin jobs are slow. I think once they own a place that dysfunction of the hood takes over and ties the willing ones down. Things involving accuracy or high discipline are also no their forte. And they generally seem to avoid technical engineering type jobs.

elvisd said...

Since the Connecticut shooting has yielded absurd press article titles, I couldn't resist this one.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100808/ap_on_re_us/us_rwanda_genocide_citizenship

Ex-Chump said...

As the philosopher Roissy has said, "proximity + diversity = war." I'd substitute "serious conflict" for "war," but his point largely stands. It's possible we are a couple of shots away from Civil War II.

As others in our ideological camp have noted, whites will never make hard decisions regarding demography as long as we have empty surface area on this continent to flee to.

We'll pave over the last windblown stretch of Wyoming before we'll overcome doublethink.

Then again, maybe not. I hold out hope.

steve wood said...

Actually, I suspect it is probably closer to #9 on that list... if we are being fair.

Yes, most people probably do think rapists and terrorists are worse than racists.

Ah, but encounters with the first two are (fortunately) rare. On the other hand, as Steve has pointed out many times, "evidence" for racism abounds if you look for it and hope to find it. Furthermore, whereas one must rape to be a rapist and blow something up to be a terrorist, one only has to think to be a racist.

Therefore, "racism" being "common," "racist" is the favorite epithet not only of lefties but of many otherwise nice, ordinary white people - especially young women, for some reason.

Anonymous said...

"I don't think Pascal Bruckner is Jewish. I could be wrong, but I've been unable to find any evidence that he is Jewish."

Most French guys with Germanic last names are Jewish.

"The linked review in Prospect refers to 'Bruckner's Jewish heritage'."

Confirmed!

Anonymous said...

"Larry Auster has a link to a brilliant Tracey Ulmman skit about death row marriages and people like Kristi Hannah."

Tracey Ullman seems to have some healthy anti-p.c. instincts which she expresses with comedic brilliance, though she is outwardly another showbiz liberal.

Here she parodies untypical MSM targets Rachel Maddow, Ariana Huffington, Megan McCain, Chrstiane Amanpour and Barney Frank: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJszSwr1P7U

Dave R. said...

I was all set to type up my own "Omar story," but the shorthand alone spares me the effort. Suffice to say, I believe any racism was all in this guy's head.

Thornton was hired as a driver with Chemstation New England, a chemical company in South Windsor. But he was let go after 10 months, unable to master the mechanical skills involved handling the equipment, said Bruce LeFebvre, the owner.

Okay, so not too bright. Though that shouldn't be an absolute bar to holding down a job. Unfortunately, all the virtues needed for a less intelligent man to get ahead in the work place have been denigrated in schools and pop culture. Hard work, cooperation with peers, ability to take direction from management, persistence, punctuality and attendance, have all been torn down in their own right. And racial grievance-mongering makes it even worse.

Thornton changed jobs a few times because he was not getting raises, Brocuglio said.

I mean, there's part of the problem right there. If he'd kept the first job he wasn't fired from, and worked hard to the best of his ability he'd have gotten some kind of raise eventually. But when you tell a man he's facing hidden structural racism built into a society it gives him an easy out in his own mind.

Harry Baldwin said...

Anonymous said...White guilt is simply a euphemism for the phenomenon of status posturing. It is through this social game white people can feel superior over other white people who "don't feel guilty", who therefore have unrealised genocidal Nazi potential and cannot be trusted with money or power.

While this theory has validity, it doesn't explain WHY defaming your own race in preference to others has become the standard for status among SWPL. Is there any other race that does this?

Harold said...

The Reds had found that the easiest way to subdue any group of people was to give its members a guilt complex and then to lead them on from self-denunciation to self-betrayal. All that was required to put this across was a sufficiently heartless exploitation of the essential goodness in people, so that they would seek self-sacrifice to compensate for their feelings of guilt. The self-sacrifice obviously made available to them in this inside-out environment is some form of treason.
— Brainwashing, From Pavlov to Powers, Edward Hunter, page 169.

Note that I’m quoting a quote here and can’t personally attest to its veracity.

Anonymous said...

one of the anonymous posters referenced the San Jose Mercury and their story of violence in Surf City.

It is a pretty good read about illegals causing mayhem in Santa Cruz. Here is the link. As with most MSM articles about NAMs, you have to read between the lines, but then comments at the end do a great job of sorting out the truth.

Truth said...

"Mark Fuhrman was convicted of lying under oath about using the "n" word while OJ walked in the savage murders of two people."

You see Kylie, were making progress, you actually got this one half right!

Mark Fuhrman was convicted of LYING UNDER OATH, Period. There is no law on the books called "lying under oath while using the "n" word.

Had Mark Fuhrman simply admitted to saying what he had said, he would not have been in violation OF THE LAW.

On the other hand, there were many reasons that OJ was not convicted and I will give you the biggest one right here; ready:

There is a very good reason that some lawyers make tens of millions of dollars in private practice, and others work as assistant DA's for $70,000. Need a hint? Help her out, Steve-O.

Truth said...

"Racisim is a thought crime and most of those don’t come with jail sentences."

BINGO!

You could have ended your post right there, Sport. And why does murder come with a jail sentence and "racism" not? Please refer to my original post.

"From gangsters to serial killers, it is clearly acceptable (if controversial) to sympathize with murderers."

It's clearly acceptable to sympathize with "racists" also; you do it every day, as long as they are white, don't you?

"is a black man morally justified if he murders people who treated him in a racist way?"

Absolutely, positively, certainly, with no trepidation whatsoever, not. (That probably comes as a surprise to you, but I am not sure why.)

"Isn’t that what this whole story is about?"

No!

The whole story, is about journalists covering a story, and their editors getting viewers subscribers. One a base level, the aggregate of the Thornton story reads as follows:

"Conneticut man, Omar Thornton, 34, murders 8 co-workers."

That's it, everything else is fluff, now what YOU are upset about is that they did not pick YOUR fluff"

"Low IQ, murderous Connecticut N- Omar Thorntonbrutally destroys the lives of 8 wholesome Christian White families who had never done anything wrong in their lives, race traitor white girlfriend sells out her race to the media..."

Instead the use journalist fluff:

"Connecticut man Omar Thornton, 34 murders 8 co-workers, claims racist treatment by company as motive..."

Truth said...

"The sentence for the white victims was death."

Exactly right Davey-Boy, and just as it was with the unibomber, with your idol McVeigh and the rest.

However, I think if their loved ones had a retro-active choice between Thornton being a "murderer" and a "racist", you know, dirty looks, a "honky" under the breath every now and then, to them they might choose racist. (Unless one of those guys was your dad, then I'm stumped).

Truth said...

"Nah. Keep lashing your back with a whip, your eyes fixed firmly on your naval."

Oooooooh! he told you, BuddyBoy!

Truth said...

"Defending a racist mass-murderer rouses him to type away."

I've made probably 20+ posts on this subject, go ahead and cut-and-paste just one instance of where I've "defended" anything Thornton has done.

TGGP said...

Two black guys agree: it's all theater.

David said...

>Without a poll, the easiest way to compare [the public's attitude toward "racism" vs. its attitude toward murder] is to consider from the public's point of view the question: is a black man morally justified if he murders people who treated him in a racist way? Isn't that what this whole story is about? Was this guy justified in killing these white folks? I think that if there had been serious smoking gun evidence of systematic discrimination against Thornton, a good percentage of the public would say that he was justified in killing them. If they believe that he was justified in killing the racists, it could only be so because [they believe] being racist is worse than being a murderer.<

The sunrise of logic appears at last.

Thank you.

It's a shame, though, that some people of majority age and imputed education need such an elementary conclusion spelled out for them. And an even worse shame that many of them won't understand it even then.

Throne of Blood said...

The main issue of this tragedy shouldn't be 'were white folks racist?' but what is to be done about black criminality--not just among black criminals but among black workers who steal more than any other kind of worker--, black aggressiveness, black use of threats/intimidation/fear/thuggery to silence criticism of their rotten work ethic and transgressions, etc. We know many teachers are afraid of disciplining black students who are big, strong, and routinely beat up teachers--even male teachers. Some of these rotten black kids later become workers and act the same way. They are half-workers/half-criminals. Stealing from their jobs is often their main thing. Also, many black males make lousy workers because they grew up thinking of themselves as millionaire rappers, athletes, and badass dudes. They wanna be like Muhammad Ali, Kanye West, or whatever, but they have no skills for anything but menial jobs. So, they get pissed and think they should steal to get something extra(like the angry dude in CAR WASH). On top of that, the NAACP and white/Jewish liberals have been telling blacks that they are always OWED stuff.

Because blacks are different from other races--more troublesome, bothersome, aggressive, stronger, dangerous, etc--, this was indeed a racist issue. White workers were good decent racists--people who were honest about race and racial differences--, and they understood that merely calling Omar on his theft would throw him into angry fits. So, they decided to gather SOLID EVIDENCE to prove to Omar that they were not targeting him simply because his skin is black but because he acts like so many black thugs and idiots--that he steals and deals on the side. Omar just couldn't handle this racist truth.

Ask yourself, why are black communities so down-and-out, so defunct? It's because there are too many people like Omar who steal on the job. We tend to think it's street crime that is destroying black communities but that's only half the answer. The other answer is black workers steal on the job more than any other race does--yes, even more than Italian Americans in Goodfellas. Blacks act this way for four reasons. (1) They are naturally more aggressive and transgressive (2) They are stronger and know that non-black fellow workers or bosses will be afraid to complain or fire them. Also, non-blacks are afraid of getting beat up or being accused of 'racism' if they were to raise alarms about black theft on the job. (3) fellow black workers look the other way and also steal themselves (4) White/Jewish liberals and black leaders have been telling blacks that blacks are OWED reparations for slavery, and this serves as justification for black stealing.

Throne of Blood said...

And so, too many blacks steal and cause trouble on the job. As a result, what happens? Few people want to invest in the black community. What's the point of setting up factories or businesses in the black communities when not only black rioters and criminals but black employees steal and steal and steal?

BUT, we can't discuss this problem of black theft because it would be 'racist'!!!!!!!!! Yet these same liberals and blacks--the very people who scream 'racism' and silence debate--demand that we need have a HONEST DISCUSSION of racial problems to figure out why we continue to have a major black underclass problems. It's like telling a doctor that he must treat a cancer patient without ever saying or admitting that the patient has cancer.

What we need is honest racism to explain WHY blacks are INDEED more prone to stealing, cheating, and lying. And it's the same in Africa and Haiti and all the other black-run places. Blacks don't run businesses; they run them into the ground. Of course, not all blacks are like this, but enough of them are to make it very risky to invest in the black community.

What kind of country are we living in that we cannot discuss real problems in a real way? We are constantly told that something has to be done for the black community and to help blacks. But nothing can be done until we get to the root of the problem. And only racism, genuine racism as in race + ism = belief in races and racial differences, will help us understand why we have a major racial problem with blacks. They are emotionally more aggressive, physically stronger, intellectually less intelligent(and thus more childlike and tantrum-prone), and socially-politically-and-culturally-spoiled by white liberals and Jews who both patronize and fear them.

Though liberal media coverage of this story has been lousy, I'm glad it happened cuz it appears the liberals only dug themselves deeper into a hole. Like so many 'racism' hoaxes on colleges and workplaces by disgruntled blacks, the more we find out about this story, the more it appears Omar is just another pathological black liar--as well as a murderer. It's just like the Jayson Blair controversy at NY TIMES. Recall that Blair had been given all the favors, forgiven all his trespasses, and promoted ahead of others. But all he did was lie and cheat. And when he was finally caught, what did he do? He screamed 'racism'. And when that no longer worked, he played the 'victim' of mental illness. We see the same pattern over and over. Black guy does wrong. He gets caught. He screams 'racism'. If it backfires, he goes for the insanity plea, and liberal media cover up for him. And the final grand narrative will be, 'the black went insane because white man made him so'. Around and around in circles we go.

By the way, if any living entity should be held accountable, shouldn't it be the liberal Jewish beer company for hiring a psycho who endangered the lives of other workers? Suppose a conservative German-American owned beer factory hired a neo-nazi nut who saw conspiracies everywhere and shot dead Jewish workers upon being accused of stealing beer? Wouldn't that company have been sued up its ass for having hired a dangerous psycho who killed innocents?

Svigor said...

T has a point, wanting accuracy isn't tantamount to defending the guy. But that desire for accuracy is motivated by ethnocentrism.

Mike Courtman said...

Steve, while status seeking may explain the majority of cases of white guilt today, it doesn't explain why it came to be seen as so virtuous in the first place.

As Auster points out, their have to be some ethnically sound true believers for it to have gained any kind of social value.

Countries with high levels of white self-loathing and SWPL identification like Sweden also have high levels of personal guilt, as reflected in high levels of honesty and low crime rates (at least among their native populations)

As much as I hate to say it, there are plenty of white Obama worshipers in Ottowa, Wellington or Stockholm who would happily return a wallet left on the ground.

The Wild Bunch said...

How does this compare with the commuter train killer and the Washington DC killer?
Didn't the commuter killer defended himself in court? Clearly a deranged person who'd been obsessed with 'racism' day and day out for many yrs, blaming 'racism' for all his personal failures.
And who knows what really motivated the DC killer? To be sure, he didn't only kill whites but he may have offed a black guy just to cover his tracks. Most of his victims were non-blacks.

Well, who put these crazy murderous ideas into their heads? It seems to me that anti-racism is more murderous than racism. In the name of anti-racism, communists killed millions. In the name of anti-racism, Mugabe brutalized, murdered, and kicked out whites. In the name of anti-racism, tens of thousand of South AFrican whites have been raped and murdered.
And in the name of anti-racism, rappers and black leaders & intelletuals have spread murderous anti-white rage all over, and there is no end to black-on-non-black violence in sight.

So, the question should really be 'Did Omar kill innocent people because anti-racists filled his mind with rabid and virulent anti-racist hatred and rage?'

What are going to do with this pathological and murderous problem of anti-racism? Of course, to the extent anti-racism is no less fixated on race and racial hatred--of the 'oppressor'--, it too is just another form of racism.

The media's defacto rationalization of this guy's deeds is truly demented. We are talking of MSM here. Of course, there are crackpots who will defend ANYONE. Some extreme elements saw Timothy McVeigh as a hero. Even Gore Vidal got into the act. But MSM depicted sensibly depicted McVeigh for what he was: a sicko.

But just look at MSM trying to make Omar into a tragic hero, like Othello or some shit. It's as if he'd been iagoed into committing this crime. Oh, he was essentially a noble dude but was driven mad by evil whites to steal and then commit murder.
Booooooring!!! Zzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!

Anonymous said...

The white guilt you folks are lamenting about can probably be traced to the damage done by the Frankfurt School. Here is a write-up by historian William Lind which presents a nice summary of what has occurred over the last 80 years.

Excerpt:

To serve its purpose of "negating" Western culture, the Frankfurt School developed a powerful tool it called "Critical Theory." What was the theory? The theory was to criticize. By subjecting every traditional institution, starting with family, to endless, unremitting criticism (the Frankfurt School was careful never to define what it was for, only what it was against), it hoped to bring them down. Critical Theory is the basis for the "studies" departments that now inhabit American colleges and universities. Not surprisingly, those departments are the home turf of academic political correctness.

The Frankfurt School sought to define traditional attitudes on every issue as "prejudice" in a series of academic studies that culminated in Adorno's immensely influential book, "The Authoritarian Personality," published in 1950. They invented a bogus "F-scale" that purported to tie traditional beliefs on sexual morals, relations between men and women and questions touching on the family to support for fascism. Today, the favorite term the politically correct use for anyone who disagrees with them is "fascist."

Anonymous said...

There are those who maintain that whites are uniquely prone to altruism, and hence guilt, and that this is an evolved genetic trait.

In support of this is the obvious fact that only whites seem to fall for the absurdness of Political Correctness, while everyone else (Blacks, Jews, Asians, Muslims) totally and immediately understand it is a confidence trick and a convenient way to torture whites.

I agree with some of the comments here; it is not simply white status posturing, there is a mass of white suckers out there who are foregoing their own self-interest and enslaved to anyone and everyone who is visibly different from themselves.

Mostly, these people are mid-IQ and insecure, and hence manipulable. The smart whites do get the point and do use it to display their "evolved" status, and dumb whites don't have the the frontal lobe for it.

Anon.

kopseer said...

Gc,
You make some valid points. I think Christianity has a lot to do with it. Certainly the likes of the Frankfurt School and modern PC-enforcers wouldn't stand a chance without the ingrained cultural influence of Christianity in the West. That’s why you don't have so many Jews and PC-conmen hammering down Chinese, Japanese, black or Arab societies. It's only in the West with its old tradition of Church and state where they are so active. Not even in Israel do they bother encouraging love of say Palestinians and cry about their lot.

PC manipulates the conscience of western man, which has been sensitized by Christianity. But PC does not have a valid point in the biblical sense. The purpose of guilt is to lead man to salvation, not to drum him down and make him subservient to the $PLC, NAACP or AIPAC. And the sins the Bible describers are the personal variety and man’s relation to God, not whether he favors quotas or immigration or not. Being PC doesn’t get you 1 inch closer to heaven.

Traditional Christianity also did not have these hang-ups with race, I'd say it was fairly realistic about race and mostly sought pragmatic local solutions. Most of the ideologies concerning race, be they Nazism, PC-ism, or a more hidden version of racism such as Zionism, are ideologies which have nothing in common with Christianity.

Worst said...

Truth:

Sentences tell us something, not everything about the public's judgments of morality. Luckily, public polling is not the process by which guidelines are written. The voting process leaves quite a few of the public at their homes, watching the NBA and soap operas and so their moral judgments don't come near being translated into law. But moreover, legislators don't set guidelines simply on the basis of what their voters think is wrong. They consider the danger that the prohibited action poses or its other effects on society and the punishment necessary to stop it, as well as constitutional protections that would keep the laws from taking effect. Therefore, certain activities which are not that morally reprehensible - possessing pot - carries a punishment while marching down the street in Nazi uniform does not. Would you really argue that the public thinks that the former is more morally reprehensible than the latter sport?

About acceptability, if this blog is what you can point to, as opposed to movies, tv shows etc, I don't know why you bothered trying to make a point. Racism is NOT to be sympathized with, that's a clear PC mandate.

Lise said...

@Harry Baldwin

Is there any other race that does this?

Histocially it has happened. The Tlaxcala joined forces with the Spanish against the "Aztec"(Mexicas.) And of course you know African tribes sold other African tribes as slaves.


BTW Whiskey has NO clue what goes on insdie the head of the average white woman.

Svigor said...

That’s why you don't have so many Jews and PC-conmen hammering down Chinese, Japanese, black or Arab societies.

Jews can't pass for Chinese, Japanese, or black. They can pass as Arab, but Jews and Arabs see each other coming a mile away (same basic behavioral genetics, lots of similar cultural traits). Basically, Jews have an "in" with whites they don't have with non-caucasoid groups, and this is probably a better explanation than simply comparing mental or cultural traits between whites and people without this "in."

Curvaceous Carbon-based Life Form said...

Mark Fuhrman was convicted of LYING UNDER OATH, Period. There is no law on the books called "lying under oath while using the "n" word."

Right.
Now ask the next question:

WHY did Fuhrman even feel it was necessary to lie that the sounds n, short i, g and -r had ever left his mouth at some point in the past?

Because Fuhrman KNEW the zeitgeist in America is such that a racist cop is seen as more of a bad guy than a black football player who cuts off his white wife's head.

PARTICULARLY in view of the racial makeup of that jury.

OJ walked not because of innocence of the crime accused, but because of shyster lawyering, which ought to be paid not in millions but jailtime.

Svigor said...

Kopseer, much of what you see as owed to Christianity, I could easily see as owed to wealth. Over time, as a society becomes used to great wealth, it's easy to see how they become pussified. At that point a feather can push them over.

Racism is NOT to be sympathized with, that's a clear PC mandate.

AFAICT this rule is always expressed by wedding racism to pathology or low status markers. I'd like to see someone provide counter-examples.

Marc B said...

"He was also upset by comments made by passers-by about the interracial couple, she said."

Every race plays gatekeeper of it's desirable females, and if you can't deal with the nasty looks and some mean comments, you're obviously not up to the task of miscegenation. Whites are among the least likely to to give a salt'n pepper a hard time.

Omar had a bit of a persecution complex, and it's apparent the reporter is trying to show extenuating circumstances for his murderous outburst. The work environment was racist, and they would have still been alive if they had just treated their dusky co-worker with respect.

concerned netizen said...

As to whether Thornton was stealing beer, see this:

http://www.journalinquirer.com/articles/2010/08/09/towns/east_windsor/doc4c601eda2f960851567714.txt

Slam dunk he was.

The press will not play this up much, though.

It's up to the Hollander family to clear their name.

They are presumptively guilty of racism.

I wonder if they are legally liable for the deaths of the 8 employees?

I mean, if there was "workplace bullying" shouldn't they have known about it?

David said...

>Most of the ideologies concerning race, be they Nazism, PC-ism, or a more hidden version of racism such as Zionism, are ideologies which have nothing in common with Christianity.<

American Transcendentalism by Kevin MacDonald (pdf)

David said...

Dear me, the falling-all-over-yourselves some of you are doing to suck up to T-Boy. He's no deep thinker; he just wants to talk that trash. Put those volumes of Kant that you were planning on quoting at him back on the shelves and give us all a break.

Truth said...

"Dear me, the falling-all-over-yourselves some of you are doing to suck up to T-Boy."

You see that, Svigor; you give me one innocuous little neutral compliment after three years, and all of a sudden you are a veritable "N-" lover. In David's eyes, you just turned into the guy at the Klan cookout who says "That Halle Berry, she's kinda cute."

And you guys are talking about thought crimes?

Mike Courtman said...

"As Auster points out, their have to be some ethnically sound true believers for it to have gained any kind of social value."

oops, that was supposed to be ethically sound.

Svigor said...

You see that, Svigor; you give me one innocuous little neutral compliment after three years, and all of a sudden you are a veritable "N-" lover.

How quickly they forget. Wasn't it just a couple days ago I called you a master of discourse? Ingrate.

I've just been there myself. I said the Commies were far worse than the Nazis (I'm still kinda in awe at how many paleo-conservatives can't accept this) and got called a Hitler-defender.

Truth said...

"How quickly they forget. Wasn't it just a couple days ago I called you a master of discourse?"

I'm sorry Svigor, I took that as sarcasm.