December 3, 2009

Sen. Boxer: "You call it 'Climategate'; I call it 'E-mail-theft-gate'"

The Hill reports:

Leaked e-mails allegedly undermining climate change science should be treated as a criminal matter, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said Wednesday afternoon.

Boxer, the top Democrat on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, said that the recently released e-mails, showing scientists allegedly overstating the case for climate change, should be treated as a crime.

"You call it 'Climategate'; I call it 'E-mail-theft-gate,'" she said during a committee meeting. "Whatever it is, the main issue is, Are we facing global warming or are we not? I'm looking at these e-mails, that, even though they were stolen, are now out in the public."

The e-mails, from scientists at the University of East Anglia, were obtained through hacking. The messages showed the director of the university's Climate Research Unit discussing ways to strengthen the unit's case for global warming. Climate change skeptics have seized on the e-mails, arguing that they demonstrate manipulation in environmental science.

Boxer said her committee may hold hearings into the matter as its top Republican, Sen. James Inhofe (Okla.), has asked for, but that a criminal probe would be part of any such hearings.

"We may well have a hearing on this, we may not. We may have a briefing for senators, we may not," Boxer said. "Part of our looking at this will be looking at a criminal activity which could have well been coordinated.

"This is a crime," Boxer said.

I was under the impression that East Anglia is in the United Kingdom, not the United States, which would suggest that any criminal probe would be up to British authorities, not U.S. Senators, but what do I know compared to Senator Boxer?

Does anybody know who hacked and/or leaked the emails?

British libertarian activist Sean Gabb tosses out a fun conspiracy theory: Vladimir Putin dunnit.
But the Russians had means and opportunity to do the job. Perhaps their security services are no longer as efficient and as well-funded as in Soviet times. But they are still there. Their mission is no longer to win the Cold War. But making life easier for Mr Putin and his friends is a large mission in itself. They no longer have an active network in British universities. But there must be any number of senior managers there whose activities back in the 1980s would merit an outing in The Daily Mail, and who therefore are open to blackmail.

And the Russians had the best motive imaginable. Anthropogenic global warming is, as said, a pack of lies. But there is huge money behind it. And it is conceivable that Western scientific ingenuity will find a “carbon free” energy source that both works and is economically viable. Now, where would that leave Russia? Without its exports of oil and gas, the place is little more than a bankrupt post-Soviet slagheap.

I can top that conspiracy theory! If I were Putin, I would want to discredit Global Warming theorists in order to make Global Warming more likely. It's too damn cold in Russia right now.

What a hero Putin would become to Russians of the future! Grateful Russians would annually celebrate the anniversary of his ascent to power on December 31, 1999 by, say, holding a huge beach volleyball tournament in Murmansk.

It would be like Lex Luthor's plan in Superman to own all the beachfront property in Nevada by having California fall into the ocean. Russia has 38,000 kilometers of coastline, much of it on the Arctic Ocean, which would become the new Russian Riviera.

My published articles are archived at iSteve.com -- Steve Sailer

75 comments:

Eric said...

Heh. If it was Putin all those guys would have had Polonium in their tea.

Guts Strongman said...

Speaking of Superman, I'd like to share the fruits of some research. Apparently, SWPL hobbyhorses have run roughshod over Superman continuity.

For instance, in at least one version of the continuity, Superman can see the "aura" of every living thing. He can see when they die, and he finds this so disturbing, he has become a vegetarian. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Birthright

Superman used to be a proud man, a beacon of light we could all look up to. http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=28&Itemid=45&limitstart=2

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Luke Lea said...

Some of the earliest climate science was in service to a Russian plan to warm the planet. See Weart's history of climate science.

Anonymous said...

I'm all for global warming. It's nearly mid summer here in New Zealand and I still have to make a fire in the evenings. Yesterday was miserable, gloomy and cold and today the weather has worsened.

Anonymous said...

James Bond

in

Hide The Decline

Anonymous said...

Today (12.03.09) NPR's "Talk of the Nation" program focused on "climate change,' with NPR science correspondent Richard Harris as the guest. In the first segment of the program, when he chatted with the host, the matter of the email scandal did not come up. However, the first caller and the last caller challenged him strongly on the matter, and his response was very weak. He stressed that the emails were hacked or stolen and minimized their significance. Is this going to fly? Can the MSM simply ignore this whole issue, like Rev. Wright, or Acorn or Van Jones? Or will NPR have to make sure they don't allow callers when the topic is discussed. I think both callers snuck through the screening process.

The NPR prgrams are available on-line.

Anonymous said...

I am beyond sick of everylittlething being called "-gate." Just stop it, media and politicians.

tommy said...

OT.

Mangan's blog has returned.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was generally understood now that the emails/data were leaked by a righteous individual or even left or perhaps 'left' in some public space on a server.

The global warming hoaxers are very hot (see what I did there!) on it being a hack, they can claim to be the victims, pathetic comeback by them but what can you expect.

The MSM also like hacking, its a lot more sexy than whistleblowing, but I suspect much less likely.

tommy said...

Does anybody know who hacked and/or leaked the emails?

From what I understand, the IPs involved were Russian and Turkish proxy servers. The hacker could be Russian, but he or she could be from anywhere in the world.

Black Sea said...

James Bond

in

Quantum of Datum

Cordelia said...

If I were Putin, I would want to discredit Global Warming theorists in order to make Global Warming more likely. It's too damn cold in Russia right now.

NOOO!! That would set off the METHANE BOMB!!:

Russian climate goal weak as "methane bomb" ticks

The world's largest country has a thick band of permafrost -- which contains organic matter whose microbes can emit the powerful greenhouse gas, methane -- stretching from Murmansk near Finland to the far eastern region of Chukotka near Alaska.

Environmentalists fear melting permafrost from rising temperatures will accelerate global warming.

"We are appealing to world leaders as this issue is overlooked in Russia... there is a carbon, or methane bomb embedded in our earth," Vladimir Chuprov, head of the Russian energy unit at environmental group Greenpeace, told Reuters.

He added that Russia -- which has permafrost covering 60 percent of its land -- most likely holds the world's biggest methane threat. By 2050, vast amounts of methane will "explode into the air" from Russia's melting permafrost, Chuprov said.

~~~~~

I don't think you're paying close enough attention to the latest global warm... uh, I mean climate change memes, Stephe. Tsk-tsk. ;-)

Half Sigma said...

Occam's Razor holds that it's most likely that an IT person who works for the university leaked the information, and used his IT knowledge to hide hit tracks by using foreign "proxy servers" (whatever they are).

I don't think many hackers would have the know-how to find emails, computer code, all the right stuff to discredit global warming.

Mr. Anon said...

"I was under the impression that East Anglia is in the United Kingdom, not the United States, which would suggest that any criminal probe would be up to British authorities, not U.S. Senators, but what do I know compared to Senator Boxer?"

To our ruling class, besotted with the arrogance of power, everything is in America's jurisdiction. If a tree falls in a forest in Yakutsk, it IS our damned business.

That said, the CRU (according to their own website) recieved funding from the US Department of Energy, so perhaps we do have some legal interest.

The CRU also recieved funding from British Petroleum and Shell Oil. Now if someone who disputes AGW recieves funding from a big oil company, then they are a shill, a stooge, a paid lackey of big oil. However, when Dr. Jones and company recieve support from a big oil company.....well that shows the oil company rising to the challenge of being a good corporate citizen. The interest that said oil company might have in the establishment of a global carbon credit trading scheme (hey, it beats exploring for oil!) never enters into it.

Anonymous said...

Boxer is simply showing her true totalitarian colors here. The emails are (according to Vox Day) quite damning. The scientists involved openly talk about massaging the data and creating a false impression on purpose. The carbon-trading scheme was initially concocted by the guys at ENRON. That ought to tell everybody everything they want to know about them. Its a scam that will enrich Wall Street and blue states who will recieve much more "allowances" in the cap and trade scheme, and red-states will end up having to pay blue states a lot of money for the right to produce electricity. Its a huge-wealth transfer and scam. It would also handicap new economies in the second and third world who agree to impose limits on their cabron DIOXIDE emissions. I wouldn't be suprised if agricultural emissions are included in the agreements either (cows, methane, CO2, etc.).

The climate bill is much more foreboding than the health care bill. Its huge and ginormous in its implications over the long term. It really needs to be defeated as its presently concocted. It simply doesn't give us enough TIME to build the non-carbon DIOXIDE emitting plants and infrastructure necessary not to drastically alter our standard of living. Plus, just for kickers, its been getting slightly cooler for the past 10 years. Whether that is lack of sunspots counteracting any greenhouse effect, or the whole damn theory about C02 in the atmosphere (about 1/300th of it) being wrong, it should have bought us time. I humbly suggest (like Senator Lamar Alexander) that we get to work, like the French, and build 100 new nuclear plants and make it a national defense issue (the eco-nuts claim global warming is a national security issue.......so the precedent is there), and suspend any lawsuits by green groups looking to delay the building of these necessary projects.

Whiskey said...

Steve, you have not followed this at all. First, the leaked e-mails were curiously absent any personal e-mails not pertaining to discussion of Global Warming. Second, the Univ. of East Anglia was subject to a lawsuit that was dismissed, and discovery was done. Third, it is most likely that someone associated with lawsuit discovery process, scandalized by the fraud, leaked it. It does not seem to be a hack (which would have all sorts of non-Global Warming personal emails about jokes, soccer teams, rugby matches, cricket, politics, and so on).

Vladimir Putin stands personally to benefit from the Carbon Credit Trading Scheme, under UN auspices, in which basically First World nations in Europe pay Third Worlders for "green" projects like windmills in China or methane burning in Pig Farms in Mexico (today's Financial Times covered it, it was a disaster).

Related: there is a FOIA suit demanding NASA disclose its Global Warming Data and methodology. Someone fed random noise data through the computer programs in the hacked emails and got a hockey stick even though the data was deliberately random. The fraud is coming through.

This will be a big issue because of the money. There is not enough of it to both pay off the Carbon Tax Fraudsters and make Al Gore as rich as Carlos Slim, and keep the Western standard of living anywhere NEAR what it is now. Already the Global Warming crowd have a list of "Climate Crimes" (see Belmont Club for the link) including: drinking coffee, using toilet paper, having pets, having (White) babies, buying clothes, washing them, and driving or flying.

Anonymous said...

Please bring on the warming. My house would be worth more if it was warmer here.

Anonymous said...

James Bond in Hide The Decline

That's not too unrealistic. The last Bond movie was awesome enough to make the villain an environementalist, complete with a lair that features noisy hydrogen fuel cells that explode at the most inopportune moments.

As far as the hacker goes: yes, he should be tried and convicted - and then he should be pardoned by David Cameron.

Anonymous said...

The only crime here is the that Ms. Boxer thinks she's to be taken seriously.

RKU said...

Putin for World President!

Anonymous said...

If you want to know if Putin is involved, check whether he has invested in a banana hammock and gold chains recently. The hallmarks of a Russian beach holiday.

William B Swift said...

Eric Raymond http://esr.ibiblio.org/ has been discussing the emails and AGW more generally since the leaks, his last 7 posts have been about them. The general consensus among the commenters there is that they were very probably leaked, not hacked.

eh said...

So you see here perhaps one (emblematic) reason California is in such dire straits: Boxer is a multi-term Senator.

Tatu said...

One of the first AGW theory boosters was Margaret Thatcher, who wanted to use it to bash the coal miners and support nuclear power. Clearly the roots of this Russian conspiracy go farther than we could have ever imagined.

Stopped Clock said...

Russia could still win if the world converts to running largely off solar energy. While it may seem counterintuitive given that Russia is a cold place without much sunlight, it's really land area that matters most, and they have plenty of that. Currently, the EU energy companies are building solar fields in Africa to pipe up energy into Europe, but there's no reason why Russia couldn't do the same thing.

Anonymous said...

the whole climate change debate is rapidaly moving beyond worrying about modeling the future (prediction) to readily observable, scary today, with its melting ice and rising oceans - among manifold other physical facts not reliant on prediction (dying oceans, for example).

the denial (or agnosticism) isn't really about lack of information, its more like:

could greenland melt and crack apart one afternoon, swallowing up venice & manhattan & the neths & cape cod and ruining my day entirely?? (actually, it might take a whole half century to happen, so we should really go back to sleep now...)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090527121055.htm


a lot like denial of race:

in both cases, something plainly observable and evident is denied simply because it is unpalatable (not to say scare the pants off you scary) - and because "the kinds of people who believe in (blank) are creeps - even if they are right!!"

and because you might need new friends if you recognize reality.

Simon said...

I too am conflicted about this - AGW is a pack of lies; OTOH reducing Western oil & gas dependence is certainly a good thing. The fly in the ointment though is that the best way to do that for the UK is through increased use of coal, of which we have plenty, but AGW propaganda prevents that.

Of course the main reason we stopped using coal in the first place was the Bolshevik-controlled National Union of Mineworkers. Thatcher switched to Gas to screw the Unions, but that incidentally left us dependent on the Russians as North Sea gas output winds down.

Hmm, it does kinda look like the Soviets knew a thing or two after all...

l said...

I always thought that Democrats favored whistleblower protection. Not Boxer.

Cossack in a Kilt said...

Didn't an old hymn say something about how not a sparrow falls but that the USG sees it, and must do something?

DCThrowback said...

Boxer provides yet another reason (as if we needed more) to donate to Chuck Devore in the primary and/or Carly Fiorina in the general. Boxer literally brings nothing to the table.

DrinkCheapBeerEveryDayOfYourLife said...

Anon#4 asks, when will the MSM call attention to Ubiquitygate?

David said...

Our elites get angry when their schemes of farming us are frustrated even a little bit.

Boxer's hostility to truth is legendary, by the way - quite on a par with anyone in the old Soviet Union.

Anonymous said...

Could someone sum up the "hostile elite" agenda for me? It seems to be:

a. wars for israel
b. open borders
c. destruction of the west
d. elimination of Christainity
e. disarming americans
f. more control through altrustic claims of a. multicultralism and environmentalism.

Pat Shuff said...

Something rotten in Denmark: An Inconvenient Conference.

The late Michael Crichton's classic
Environmentalism as Religion

Commonwealth Club
San Francisco, CA
September 15, 2003


How will we manage to get environmentalism out of the clutches of religion, and back to a scientific discipline? There's a simple answer: we must institute far more stringent requirements for what constitutes knowledge in the environmental realm. I am thoroughly sick of politicized so-called facts that simply aren't true. It isn't that these "facts" are exaggerations of an underlying truth. Nor is it that certain organizations are spinning their case to present it in the strongest way. Not at all---what more and more groups are doing is putting out is lies, pure and simple. Falsehoods that they know to be false.

Because in the end, science offers us the only way out of politics. And if we allow science to become politicized, then we are lost. We will enter the Internet version of the dark ages, an era of shifting fears and wild prejudices, transmitted to people who don't know any better. That's not a good future for the human race. That's our past. So it's time to abandon the religion of environmentalism, and return to the science of environmentalism, and base our public policy decisions firmly on that.

Thank you very much.

http://tinyurl.com/ypanj5

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Russians just did it for kicks. They like that kind of stuff. There was the natural gas cut-off last winter to Europe, the smacking of Georgia, the of humiliating our new POTUS and Hillary (not too hard, really as they kind of brought it on themselves), etc...That's just how they seem to have fun sometimes.

Paavo said...

It's a good point, that Russia has only to lose in any effective action against global warming.

Of course ineffective action is good, as they can sell gas at high prices to europe, and oil and coal at market prices to chinese. Europeans will also buy electricity from russian nuclear and coal plants. And energyheavy industry will also move to Russia from cap and trade Europe.

I don't think they would be too enthusiastic about engineering the climate to make it colder.

Svigor said...

I'm looking at these e-mails, that, even though they were stolen, are now out in the public."

Isn't receiving stolen goods a crime?

Big bill said...

My God! "Email theft?" is it only me, or do the Democrats sound like Richard Nixon in the Ellsberg case?

David said...

Mr. Anon et al.

It's spelled receive, not recieve.

William1066 said...

"As far as the hacker goes: yes, he should be tried and convicted - and then he should be pardoned by David Cameron."

Sadly, Cameron, in spite of being a 'Conservative' is a Warmist (like our John McCain). DC would likely do what Bush did to those two border guards (ignore their plight). Europe seems far crazier than the rest of the planet over this issue - which is probably not surprising as Global Warming is largely an urban white obsession.

albertosaurus said...

If the public were even a little more intelligent there never would have been an AGW controversy in the first place. The most profound exhibit for the Antropogenic Global Warming hypothesis was the "hockey stick" graph. This graph relies on a smoothing procedure known as Principal Components Analysis (PCA). When I first heard about the famous MBH98 (Mann, Bradley, Hughs 1998) paper that introduced this graph I went to Stacey's (local technical bookstore) and bought a statistics book that dealt with times series techniques.

As it happens I didn't have to. The relevant information was online in Wikipedia. It takes only five minutes to see what Mann had done. He "invented" a new variant of PCA that rather than dividing a series of measurements by the grand total, divided the first half by one value and the second half by another. The result of this procedure is that the first set of values are radically smoothed. This removes the inconvenient bump known as the Medieval Warming Period. Everything to the left of the inflection point is made flat. While the values after the inflection point are boosted upwards. The result is a graph where the world's temperature is flat until about thirty years ago at which point it rises dramatically. McIntyre showed that Mann's procedure can create a hockey stick from even random (red noise) data.

The math trick that created the hockey stick is obvious to anyone who cares to examine the formulas. But of course, few did.

Mann admits that he isn't all that expert at statistics. This seems to be a pattern among those concerned with environmental matters. A lot of mathematical nonsense is also written about the so called "Hubbert's Peak".

A few years ago climatology was the worst compensated of the hard sciences. The popularity of Global Warming seems to have attracted even more people who are innocent of any math. Climatology gets softer.

After McIntyre and Wegman criticized Mann's math in public congressional hearings, you would think that the whole AGW bubble would have just evaporated. But no, Boxer apparently never read about the math - nor did anyone else.

Boxer and the general public can't follow the math. They have had to wait until the argument could be couched in conspiracy terms.

Even a decade ago it was obvious that the inner circle of interested climatologists were up to no good. There had been an early email leak of one of them writing about "getting rid of the Medieval Warm Period". Mann had had a long history of concealing his data and his methods. All the bad behavior of the climatology alarmists was on display years before this hacking incident.

l said...

It doesn't matter that the AGW cultists were caught fudging data, making discordant data disappear and suppressing dissenting scientists' work -- what they say is true! Just ask them!

merc said...

The Scotch-Irish are always trying to censor and control the media.

AMac said...

There is a lot to Whiskey's view of the origins of the affair, upthread. Along those lines, the skeptics/denialists (your pick) have had long-running battles with the warmists/scientists (again). Some of these fights took the form of skeptic-originated Freedom of Information requests from public institutions doing climate research. This started in the US, but spread to the UK a few years ago, when FOI procedures were established there.

As the premier climate data-collection and modeling center in England, the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit was the natural focus of these requests.

The illicitly-released emails and computer code came in the form of a 62 MB zipped file, uploaded anonymously to a server in Russia. A pointer to the file was left at the skeptic blog the Air Vent on Nov. 17th, by commenter "FOIA". (Also see this early post). The file itself is named something like "FOI.zip".

Those who've gone through the email text files and computer code have commented that FOI.zip looks like a compilation of files relevant to FOI requests that UEA was considering. All those requests were ultimately denied (surprise). Notably, the emails lack the personal stuff that would typically be scattered through most people's work accounts.

So, whoever made these files public wanted people to believe that a whistleblower chose to release the information to fulfill an improperly-thwarted FOI request.

Whether that's true or not, who knows?

Here is Willis Eschenbach's account of his multi-year effort to have numerous FOI requests honored by UEA. The university successfully stonewalled him; some of the released emails describe the climate scientists' efforts. He gave up in 2007 (I believe), but others perservered with their own requests and appeals. These included Steve McIntyre, the figure who is most loathed by warmists/scientists.

corvinus said...

Environmentalists fear melting permafrost from rising temperatures will accelerate global warming.

"We are appealing to world leaders as this issue is overlooked in Russia... there is a carbon, or methane bomb embedded in our earth," Vladimir Chuprov, head of the Russian energy unit at environmental group Greenpeace, told Reuters.


Considering that this methane (a.k.a. "natural gas") is what keeps Russia and much of Europe warm in the winter, I don't see why they should be complaining.

Anonymous said...

Given the way that the our media in Britain has responded to leaks from Parliament on MPs expenses and immigration and how the media has treated the suggestion that the leakers should be prosecuted, I highly doubt Parliament or the government will be particularly sanguine about investigating the leak in this instance.

Anonymous said...

The first tactic of the Left is to silence the people who criticize, to question their right to do so, or to destroy them personally.

Example One is Joe the Plumber. Poor Joe wasn't even out criticizing Obama. He asked the candidate a question, Obama's "spread the wealth" response got national coverage, and McCain mentioned Joe's name a dozen times in the next debate. Then the Left started eviscerating him, searching and making public his legal records before he'd uttered another peep.

Example Two is the indoctrination at the New Jersey elementary school, where several second graders were taught to sing songs praising Obama. When that story broke the reaction of the superintendent wasn't to criticize the indoctrination, but to criticize the release of the video>. Wrote Superintendent Christopher Manno, "The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized." As, of course, was the indoctrination.

What interested me about that video (besides the obvious) was that the kid picked out by the black teacher for apparent "remedial instruction" (or perhaps embarrassment?) was the only blonde boy in the entire class.

klaos said...

While it may seem counterintuitive given that Russia is a cold place without much sunlight, it's really land area that matters most, and they have plenty of that.

It takes alot of metal and silicon to make solar panels. considering silver is the most conductive, most likely _lots_ of silver. and depending how the battery technology is done, most likely lots of the rare earth metals.

Middletown Girl said...

I am beyond sick of everylittlething being called "-gate." Just stop it, media and politicians.

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I agree about the everylittlethingbeingcalledgategate.

Middletown Girl said...

I'm looking at these e-mails, that, even though they were stolen, are now out in the public."

Isn't receiving stolen goods a crime?

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Or it might be called espionage. If CIA can do it against enemies of America, why can't we do it against enemies within?

Besides, in this age of the Patriot Act, anything goes.

Sideways said...

While it may seem counterintuitive given that Russia is a cold place without much sunlight, it's really land area that matters most, and they have plenty of that.

That is completely ridiculous. Yes, it's possible to get large amounts of energy by putting vast numbers of panels across Siberia, but no one would do it because it would cost so much. Each solar panel would effectively be worth a fraction of what an identical panel put in the Northern Sahara would be worth.

Edward said...

Forget about Russia. It was probably a leak.

1. It was leaked to a BBC journalist weeks before it was leaked to the blogs. The BBC sat on it.

2. After the leak was made public on the blogs CRU blocked all passwords to its database. Why do that unless one or more persons on the list is thought to be a security risk?

3. The date of the last email is the 12th. Steve McIntyre learned of the rejection of his FOI request on the 13th. Implication being, someone in CRU heard the FOI request was rejected, was outraged, and publicised the data before SM was himself told.

4. The leaker might have reasonable suspicions that Jones might be prepared to delete the relevant data rather than ever hand it over in a FOI request."If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone", he said in Feb. 2005.
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=490&filename=1107454306.txt

headache said...

GW is a crock. Most of the people babbling about it do not even understand the 1. and 2. laws of thermodynamics, let alone relative energy yields of the various energy sources. Morons puffing themselves up.

Glaivester said...

or the whole damn theory about C02 in the atmosphere (about 1/300th of it) being wrong

Even less. 1/2000th, actually. Current CO2 levels are between 350 and 400 ppm.

Mr. Anon said...

"albertosaurus said...

He "invented" a new variant of PCA that rather than dividing a series of measurements by the grand total, divided the first half by one value and the second half by another."

Thanks for the explanation. However I don't see why one would want to use PCA in this case. First I don't understand how it would be applied to a time-series, and in any event it must surely be overkill.

The temperature data is a simple time series - he should have just plotted it, with some kind of smoothed version - perhaps a running boxcar average - for comparison / elucidation.

MQ said...

The irony is that there's a hundred more real scientific evidence for global warming than there is for IQ as some kind of overpowering genetic determinant of human success. Of course, that's not saying much. Anyway, here is a site that patiently goes through all the reasons that denialist arguments are unfounded, so I don't have to do it.

So I'm mainly reading this to actually figure out what "Climategate" shows about anything -- the extensive coverage seems to show no smoking gun of data being faked or anything similar. Considering that there are over a decade of emails here --tens of thousands -- it seems that if anyone is faking data then there would be evidence of it here. Can someone show even a single email that shows such evidence?

Whiskey said...

Somewhat OT, but an "inconvenient truth" is the train bombing by Chechens (again) of a luxury high speed train in Russia. Putin now looks weak, and will have to pile up bodies to regain control. [He faces threats from fellow thugs who have to fear him, not challenge him.] It is thought that AQ assisted, the attack was unusual in that none were apprehended and the method was quite sophisticated. Elements of Pakistan's ISI are also accused, if so a very dangerous escalation. Putin is not a man to be trifled with. Showing that even a guy like Putin must regularly make demonstrations of people to survive, politically. I suppose his alliance with the Iranians will pay off, the Iranians are well informed about matters in Central Asia.
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Obama is going to Copenhage on the 18th, to meet with other world leaders (he was originally scheduled to be there on the 9th before they arrived). He says he will commit the US to spend more than $10 billion per year to "poor" nations for "green technology" and also massive greenhouse gas reductions. [Its rumored he will bypass the Senate and simply issue EPA rulings on this.]

This will make Al Gore richer than Carlos Slim, but collapse the US economy. Presumably Obama and cronies will get their cut. I think they underestimate what happens when you make people very suddenly poor, and it is done to nearly everyone. Get ready for Gas at $10 a gallon and $15 for a loaf of bread.

Anonymous said...

So I'm mainly reading this to actually figure out what "Climategate" shows about anything -- the extensive coverage seems to show no smoking gun of data being faked or anything similar. Considering that there are over a decade of emails here --tens of thousands -- it seems that if anyone is faking data then there would be evidence of it here. Can someone show even a single email that shows such evidence?

Almost funny pal!

Many of the emails deal with 'tricks' to show temp rises or get rid of earlier warm periods. They also discuss hiding data or even destroying it to prevent it falling into enemy hands.

So, sure, these are guys who believe the science is settled.

If there really were a hundred other proofs of AGW I suspect most deniers would be more sympathetic. Kick away the now discredited warming data/charts and there isnt a lot left, just an assertion.

In one email Jones admits that temperature has been falling since 1998, but his unit's charts hide that. Why would that be then?

Anonymous said...

Re Genericgate.

If Watergate happened now they would call it Watergategate

L said...

The emails were prepared as part of a package for the UK equivalent of a freedom of information request. Am under the impression that package was obtained by the hackers before it could be released officially.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if Amanda Knox is guilty but I'm glad to see her entitled white ass in prison.

Anonymous said...

-So I'm mainly reading this to actually figure out what "Climategate" shows about anything-

Try the snow in Texas, stupid. PS, give up your car and prevent Gore from using a jet. That'll help keep the temperature down.

Jimmy Crackedcorn said...

Get ready for Gas at $10 a gallon and $15 for a loaf of bread.

What like I have a problem with that? According to Thomas Jefferson, a little revolution every now and then is a good thing. The vision of our fat, corrupt congressmen running through the streets wearing tar and feathers brings a smile to my face.

Inspector Ivan from KGB said...

If I were Putin, I would want to discredit Global Warming theorists in order to make Global Warming more likely. It's too damn cold in Russia right now.

What a hero Putin would become to Russians of the future! Grateful Russians would annually celebrate the anniversary of his ascent to power on December 31, 1999 by, say, holding a huge beach volleyball tournament in Murmansk.


Comrade Sailer, you will come with us, da?
Only for a few simple questions of course, comrade.

sabril said...

"The irony is that there's a hundred more real scientific evidence for global warming "

It depends what you mean by "global warming." There is essentially no evidence that increases in CO2 are likely to cause the sort of significant problems which the likes of Al Gore are claiming.

headache said...

Whiskey sez:
I think they underestimate what happens when you make people very suddenly poor, and it is done to nearly everyone. Get ready for Gas at $10 a gallon and $15 for a loaf of bread.

In Europe the Global Warming scare has been much farther integrated into the legal and financial woodwork than in the US. Yet gas goes for EUR 2.1 per liter and a loaf of (good German) bread for EUR 2.5. Sorry, u guys still use those shitty Dollars.

David Davenport said...

... but that incidentally left us dependent on the Russians as North Sea gas output winds down.

No, you're not dependent on Roosky nat. gas. Canada and the USA have lots of the stuff. Check out the price trends. Nat. gas prices are trending down.

It's not practical to build a natural gas pipeline under the Atlantic. However, natural gas is exportable in liquified form in insulated tanker ships.

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Putin now looks weak, and will have to pile up bodies to regain control.

Is that a bug, or a feature?

I suppose his alliance with the Iranians will pay off, the Iranians are well informed about matters in Central Asia.

Who are you, the poor man's Stratfor.com?

If the Eyeranians ( probably cognate with "Aryans" ) are friends with Russia and the Persians know a lot about Muslim schemes, why didn't they warn Moskva?

Cordelia said...

Emails that rocked climate change campaign leaked from Siberian 'closed city' university built by KGB

"Suspicions were growing last night that Russian security services were behind the leaking of the notorious British ‘Climategate’ emails which threaten to undermine tomorrow’s Copenhagen global warming summit....

"'There has been speculation the hackers were Russian. It appears to have been a sophisticated and well-run operation, that had a political motive given the timing in relation to Copenhagen.’

"And gazeta.ru news website, having received information about the Tomsk server connection, said: ‘Presumably it was Russian hackers who broke into the servers of the university.’

"The university said that there was strict security on its server, heightening the theory that an extremely sophisticated hacking operation was carried out to obtain it.

"East Anglia University has gone out of its way to promote itself to students from the former Soviet Union. Its website says that 33 Russian students currently study there."

Anonymous said...

If the Eyeranians ( probably cognate with "Aryans" ) are friends with Russia and the Persians know a lot about Muslim schemes, why didn't they warn Moskva?

The Eyeranians are shiites, the muslims who fight Russia are Sunnis. They don't get along. Read up on Iran-Iraq War and the battle that took place in 680 AD.

David Davenport said...

The Eyeranians are shiites, the muslims who fight Russia are Sunnis.

So shiites are good Muslims we can trust, is that it?

Here's more on liquefied natural gas:

Chevron takes giant stride with $90b LNG deal

CLANCY YEATES

December 7, 2009

Boom... the region's demand for gas is likely to turn LNG into one of Australia's largest exports.

Photo: Wire ( photo of liquefied nat. gas tanker )


CHEVRON has taken another stride forward in the race to develop Western Australia's vast gas resources, signing a record-breaking $90 billion supply deal with a Japanese customer.

At the weekend the US oil group signed the heads of agreement with Tokyo Electric Power Company, which will buy 4.1 million tonnes of gas a year over two decades from the planned Wheatstone project.

The state's Premier, Colin Barnett, said the deal was worth $90 billion, trumping the $50 billion gas sale to China from the Gorgon project as Australia's biggest sales contract.

The Japanese power company, seen as a premium customer, will also take a 15 per cent equity stake in the gas field and an 11.25 per cent stake in the processing facilities.

Chevron will not make a final investment decision on Wheatstone until 2011, but the deal demonstrates the strength of Asian gas demand and gives Chevron a leg-up over its rivals in the region.

It also adds to the fierce rivalry between Woodside and Chevron, which have repeatedly clashed in recent months in the scramble to develop massive liquefied natural gas projects.

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http://www.theage.com.au/business/chevron-takes-giant-stride-with-90b-lng-deal-20091206-kcur.html

Anonymous said...

--So shiites are good Muslims we can trust, is that it?--


The comment wasn't about the US. But you had the 2 confused as well as lacking a clue about history. Hit the books....

Anonymous said...

Since they were conspiring to scam us, and breaking the law on their own.

It would be more akin to whistle blowing rather then theft.

rob said...

Chernobyl, accident or strategy? It turned the west against nuclear power, so we mostly burn coal for baseload. Russia gets nuclear power, natural gas markets, and a warmer climate. All for the price of a few Ukranians.

rob said...

Whiskey, a bit of advice.

Someone said you had a point somewhere in the crazy. Most people will never know. Why? Because you lie all the time. Or as you would say. bcz you Lie all The time. One might think that you are merely wrong frequently. That isn't true, someone who is merely wrong will admit it.

Tell the truth. Save your lies for when they really matter. Think of it as credibility.

Oh yes, actual Scotch Irish people spell Buchanan correctly, and do not worship Putin.

neil craig said...

On the other hand Russia, whose Academy of science says warming is hogwash, owns millions of pieces of paper worth 10s of billions saying they have "carbon credits". This was the deal to get them to sign for Kyoto & if Copenhagen doesn't ratify them they will just be pieces of paper.

Rather a shame because whoever did it deserves a Nobel - perhaps Al's.