July 6, 2009

Sarah Palin

The unmentionable issue regarding Palin is that a 45 year old woman with five children hasn’t had time to think through all the national and international issues a President needs to have thought about. Her five children have taken up too much of her attention. In contrast, Margaret Thatcher once told my wife that she was glad she had had fraternal twins so she could get having babies over and done with and get back to work.

If Palin were a man, there’d be a wife to deal with the kids, so the Governor could get back to thinking about about non-family, non-local topics.

This is all totally obvious, but nobody is supposed to mention stuff like this anymore.

By the way, 67-year-old genius Vice-President Joe Biden got off message on a talk show yesterday and basically told Israel it's okay to bomb Iran.

My published articles are archived at iSteve.com -- Steve Sailer

141 comments:

bg said...

only a bigot would imagine inate differences between the genders. this is pure hatred.

CK said...

Can she not multi-task? Is she not Devo?

Anonymous said...

It is not totally obvious, as I have never yet seen anyone figure out how much time her husband spends raising their children. I know he performs seasonal work such as fishing, and work which is often short term such as working on oil rigs on the North Slope. I also know that those kinds of jobs can leave time for taking care of his children. How much time he spends, nobody's even hinted at. You presume, stupidly, that men can't possibly be involved, or only peripherally, with raising children. That presumption says a great deal more about your own moral and character shortcomings than Palin's lack of knowledge.

Furthermore, as every liberated feminist will tell you, a woman can do it all, or so they say. After all, Hillary Clinton did it, didn't she? For a more thorough examination of doing it all, see the Reclusive Leftist's column here.

Furthermore, Sarah Palin has had more time and experience than that vast army of bloggers barely out of college with nothing better than a journalism degree who pretend to be far more knowledgeable about foreign affairs, economics and government than she is. It is not Palin who is the arrogant idiot.

MacSweeney said...

Sarah Palin is insufferable. Her excessive use of strawmen is beyond laughable.

Letterman: [Makes a joke about A-Rod knocking up her 18 year old daughter]

Palin: How dare you joke about raping my 14 year old daughter!

Rival politician: [Photoshops a picture of Palin holding her baby, so the baby is now radio host Eddie Burke to show her affiliation with him)

Palin: How dare you make fun of my baby's Down Syndrome!

agnostic said...

Palin is ambitious but not very bright or insightful. So it wouldn't matter if she had zero kids -- there's no Ben Franklin mind being tied up by children to begin with.

Anonymous said...

Ah, good to see you're becoming wise to gender issues, Steve, I'm telling you race and gender are wholly inseparable.

Palin is as impressive a woman as I've seen in this day and age but that's hardly saying anything. I'm not the one who let her out of the kitchen but since that ship has sailed...

One of the few things that worry me about here is that Bill Krystol is backing her.

Regarding Letterman's comments about her, his "jokes" about how she met "funny looking Jews" and "crazy ethnics" for the first time upon coming to NYC struck me as more objectionable than the stuff about her daughter; it's well known she flies an Israeli flag in her office and has spoken to AIPAC, and this is what they do to her in return.

Now Thatcher, that was a leader. I find her more impressive than Churchill by a longshot, and a better orator too: the man lisped and slurred!

Yes, having 5 children is a bit much for a Governor of an American state, but whose fault is that? I wouldn't let women vote, let along run for office. The same dummies who let her out of the kitchen - the left - are the ones who want to send her back to the kitchen. Smart woman though, wore thick glasses as a child - indicative of high g, and was said to be a news junkie growing up, nonsensical neocon narratives notwithstanding (I learned this reading iSteve). I'd bet money her IQ is higher than Obama's, in full knowledge that Obama's mother's side had some brains.

Finally, what an astonishingly attractive woman considering her age and number of kids, I mean I simply cannot get over how attractive, how graceful she is.

Strange days indeed! Most peculiar mama, whoa!

king obama said...

I wish Sarah Palin would just go away. Hopefully, she will now just fade away.

I never understood why people thought that she would make a good Presidential candidate.

Udolpho.com said...

I agree that Sarah Palin can be hard to take. She is almost as insufferable as the people obsessed with bashing her.

testing99 said...

Steve -- there is a husband to take care of the kids. Indeed, Palin's rise is tied to her husband's willingness to take care of the kids and put his job on hold, as he's done repeatedly, along with her still young parents and siblings.

This is the major reason women hate Palin. With a passion. Her choice of Blue Collar but supportive husband directly contradicts the pursuit of the Mr. Big model, the Sex and the City updated princess fantasy. No one appreciates deep fantasies being so rudely punctured.

Palin's obviously running for President, with the advantage of escaping punitive ethics complaints violations (13, all vindicated but costing her over $500K to defend against), and ugly budget battles post Waxman-Markey which will hit Alaska very, very hard. You certainly can't run for President from Alaska, and as a private Candidate, ala Obama, who never bothered to show up in the Senate, Palin can make some big money on the lecture/book tour circuit.

Probably another benefit -- she can as a private citizen sue the pants off folks like Letterman, Vanity Fair, and Huffington Post who went after her kids.

robert61 said...

One of the things I most envy about your life as described here, Steve, is the night with Ms Thatcher and Gen Odom (who turned me on Iraq with his Hugh Hewitt interview). Damn, that must have been huge.

testing99 said...

Anon -- Todd Palin took off from his jobs, including oil patch support, for up to six months to take care of the kids. Something that does arouse fury among Yuppie women, who would rather have Rosa the Illegal Alien nanny do that and have husbands who are Masters of the Universe, they consider men involved in child care "unmanly." See the Sandra Tsing Loh article deriding her friends "Kitchen Bitches" husbands who cook, take care of the kids, and do carpentry, or Moneyball Author Michael Lewis who wrote a book about how women and his wife considered him a doofus and unmanly guy for taking care of the kids.

Bottom line: a blue collar, unconnected woman like Palin can have kids and climb in politics, if she has a supportive husband. Women don't like hearing that, because it involves compromise on the kind of men they want: dominating, aggressive, high-T, and they just can't stand that.

MacSweeney -- Letterman did indeed make a joke about her 14 year old daughter. Or more accurately, his joke writers, Letterman has not written a joke in decades. He would never have made a joke about Michelle Obama, or her kids, or Biden's coke-head daughter, or anything like that. He was made to pay for it (Embassy Suites dropped out, other sponsors threatened) so he gave a half-assed "apology."

One of the unexpected things of the down economy, is that Hard Leftists like Letterman have less leeway, sponsors can't afford to tick off customers left or right, and so will drop anyone with controversy. That includes a Letterman.

Steve F said...

Thanks for including the tidbit about Biden. It is still debatable, and will be for the next 3.5 to 8 years, who the worse VP nominee was.

Tanstaafl said...

Gender is not as taboo as race.

A more unmentionable issue regarding Palin is the anti-White nature of the fear and loathing the media directs at her and the White voters she appeals to.

Reactionary said...

Whiskey - you need to refine your hypothesis a bit. Blue collar guys in general and Todd Palin in particular are plenty high T and SWPL women (I agree with you here) still hate them.

robert61 said...

As far as Joe Biden goes, he's a f*cking idiot and therefore accidentally says what he thinks from time to time. That's why I love him. For this reason, he gets the f*cking idiot's pass from other powers, who clearly know not to take his mercurial remarks at face value. (By the by, such incidents would be legion [epic! unstoppable!] if McCain/Palin were in office.) I highly doubt that Iran's going nuke is something that can be countered by an Israeli strike, but whether it is or not, Joe Biden's flapping gums have nothing to do with it.

silly girl said...

An Amish man who read Dr. Spock's childcare book was shocked at how little involvement Spock seemed to think dads have in child rearing.

The uninvolved dad is a modern phenomenon. In former times women raised infants, toddlers and girls. Men raised boys by teaching them trades or farming.

Anonymous said...

I am absolutely mind-boggled at the criticism of Sarah Palin here. The ONLY way to get a non-leftist elected is to go deep into the white vote. The person who can do that is Sarah Palin.

If you want to preserve the America that is dominated by non-socialist, non-leftist values, support Palin. If you want to see an America that resembles Argentina, don't. Becuase only she will bring out the white non-leftist vote. Those people can stay home. And they will for Mitt Romney, or any of the others you are so impressed with.

I fear for my country. I think Palin is the only chance we have. Not becuase of what she is, but becuase only she can bring out the non-leftist voters.

Shawn said...

I wonder why she doesn't just hire a nanny. I am sure she has the resources or could raise the money for one quite easily.

Anonymous said...

@testing
"See the Sandra Tsing Loh article deriding her friends "Kitchen Bitches" husbands who cook, take care of the kids, and do carpentry.."

Just read that Atlantic article and I couldn't help feeling an editor should have told her 'no, you really haven't discovered Truth, honey. You're just going through a phase.'

PR

mark said...

re biden, somehow i missed the part where biden said that this administration would support israel's decision or assist israel in any way. yes, biden said israel is a sovereign nation. that means this administration doesn't intend to treat israel as the 51st state. they're a sovereign nation and can make those grown up decisions that go with being sovereign, but that also means that they may have to go it alone if other sovereign nations disagree with israel's assessment, and israel will have to live with the consequences. biden's statement was not supportive of an israeli strike, especially when you consider that few military experts believe israel can do the job alone without resorting to nukes. as for using nukes, there would surely be consequences.

Anonymous said...

nah. palin's just an idiot.

Anonymous said...

"Her excessive use of strawmen is beyond laughable."

Damn her for not using just the right amount of strawmen!

Danindc said...

Yep- you wrote this a while ago and I've been using it without attribution for the last few days. Thanks, I am descending the social ladder everyday.

Danindc said...

I still like her.....yeah she isn't curious and that Couric interview was embarassing but at least she had a bunch of kids and pisses off the right people. Todd's a good guy as well. I love promoting her around leftists.

Romney/Palin '12- America's last hope.

That way the VP role can go back to the "warm bucket of spit" job description.

Why not hire a nanny- write a book and hire two.

Anonymous said...

"Damn her for not using just the right amount of strawmen!"

As Steve Martin's character Navin Johnson said in 'The Jerk' -

"I damn thee"...

Troofer Dan said...

Steve do you accept California State IOUs for donations to your site?

Arnold professes love for the illegal aliens last week and today Cali gets a BBB rating from Fitch. Junk status for CA bonds is dead ahead.

There is a lesson here. Latinization: Don't Let It Happen To You.

Thrasymachus said...

Steve, you seem to think Biden's comments were inadvertent. I think it is much more likely he was told exactly what to say.

I think many American women are extremely confused by Palin. To a DC woman who thinks a "real man" is a lounge lizard like Roissy running "game" (no offense to Roissy, he's just giving them what they want) and they see Palin with a family and an actual real man and it just blows their mind.

can't believe my eyes said...

Have to admit I wouldn't have made the reproductive choices the Mrs. Palin has. However, although she is not my cup of tea, I was so gob-smacked at the total full-frontal attacks on her by the MSM, that I did a did a double take. As an earlier commenter noted, she flies an Israeli flag and prayed with a black minister. She has shown no antagonism to either of those groups (Jews or blacks), although as she is in Alaska, I doubt she's ever been tested much on the matter.
What confirmed overwhelming media bias for me was the press's reporting of a speech/rally where supposedly the crowd chanted "kill him [Mr. O]. This sound fishy. No people in their right mind would chant such a thing out loud at a political rally whose cause they wished to win. Sure enough, a "provocateur" from a local news agency who filmed starting to chant to discredit Palin and the "hate" speech she supposedly aroused. She's just not had to be concerned about such things and identifies with who she herself is, her family, and her own constituents.
As far as her intelligence, the view that she is not bright seems a bit knee-jerk, like believing Clinton is a harmless jokester or that self-admitted AA Harvard grad, Mr. Obama, is super-bright. Doesn't take much thought but watch your back about people who seem too obvious.
I am still trying to figure out why Obama's scripted speeches rendered him "intelligent." He's a good, well-directed PR front man, who falls into confused babble when the teleprompted goes out. Palin can wing it. As I said, I'm not a Palin fan. Anybody who gets as high as being a presidential candidate is going compromise themself. Anybody who deeply wants such power should not have it. Except perhaps Ron Paul and I'm not sure about him either.

Svigor said...

Blue collar guys in general and Todd Palin in particular are plenty high T and SWPL women (I agree with you here) still hate them.

Newsflash, they hate Sarah Palin too!

Class rivalry, what an astoundingly fresh idea! Leftists chum the water with it as an alternative to ethnic rivalry. And The Scots-Irishman of Many Names cuts it in half and feeds it to the same targets as gender rivalry...again as a substitute for ethnic rivalry.

I seem to have squared the circle!

Svigor said...

Damn her for not using just the right amount of strawmen!

Yeah, who gives a crap? Anybody who thinks a douche like Letterman, or his audience, deserves rigorous argument is delusional.

It's the thought that counts.

I say throw the kitchen sink at them if it's all you have to hand. The point is to throw something. Never sit there and take it. If all you can come up with is straw men, it's better than nothing.

On the other hand, were those pathetic straw men? Well, yes.

Assistant Village Idiot said...

Palin would be unacceptable, except by comparison. Obama, Hillary, Biden, Kucinich; McCain, Huckabee, Ron Paul...

Palin might be behind Romney, but even that is up for debate. I agree with many criticisms of Palin, but have to note that all of them apply to her competition as well. She has small-government instincts. That shouldn't be enough of a qualifier, but unfortunately it is.

Anonymous said...

"The ONLY way to get a non-leftist elected is to go deep into the white vote. The person who can do that is Sarah Palin. "

Yeah, but it plays into the "No White Males" game of our enemies, no thanks. If the only way Whites can get elected is to be female then it's time to find a plan B.

Don't get me started on Bobby Jindal, same deal with him. If the only way the right can win is by running brown people and women, then just give up on politics and maybe try Gandhi's methods or something.

Palin is relatively young, and not lacking in brains. Given ten, twenty years of seasoning she might be a presidential timber, but not yet, and not at the expense of a more qualified White male.

Ronduck said...

king obama said...

I never understood why people thought that she would make a good Presidential candidate.

I never understood why anyone thought that Obama would be a good president.

Anonymous said...

Good old Joe.

Still got it.

stari_momak said...

With white women at, what, 1.6 children fertility, the best thing that Sarah Palin has contributed is her four perfectly healthy and quite attractive children. And this is not a eugenics thing about Trig, I am glad she had him and he seems pretty cool in the Special Olympics video, which itself shows that Palin is about four and half times the human being that Obama, Michelle, or I am.

As for her admittedly peculiar personality, I think she is a fairly bright slacker. It takes one to know one, and I see the classic signs. I myself attended three Uni's to get my undergraduate degree. Short attension span. I think that is Palin's problem also.

Anonymous said...

[Obama's] a good, well-directed PR front man who falls into confused babble when the teleprompter goes out. Palin can wing it.

No, Palin can't "wing it" either.

By the way, when was the last time we had someone running for Pres/VP who really could wax eloquent off the cuff?

Anonymous said...

I've read that Palin has some Jewish ancestry. I wonder if that gets her any mileage with the powers that be. I am still not convinced that Trig wasn't Bristol's kid.

Anonymous said...

T99:
See the Sandra Tsing Loh article deriding her friends "Kitchen Bitches" husbands who cook, take care of the kids, and do carpentry

How can anyone think that carpentry is unmanly?

Anonymous said...

Both Palin and Biden sound like they have Aspergers syndrome.

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Perun said...

Outer Party news...too little, too late..
T99 is, for once, spot on. Sarah Palin made her choice,'... of Blue Collar but supportive husband directly contradicts the pursuit of the Mr. Big model, the Sex and the City updated princess fantasy.'
Pitifully single, yet 'liberated' females in our family self-combust on the spot if you mention her name.

I always rub it in,...'five kids AND a high profile career.'

Anonymous said...

Smart woman though, wore thick glasses as a child - indicative of high g

Whaa? Of course, what can you expect from the doofus who thinks women shouldn't vote?

I'm center-left, and I hated Sarah Palin not because she was fertile or blue-collar. I hated her because she was anti-intellectual and ignorant, and proudly ignorant at that. I didn't hate her personally, I hated the fact that she was nominated to such a high post that she obviously was NOT ready for in any way, shape, or form.

I don't think it was the kids or her involvement with them that caused this. Besides, she wasn't "involved" enough to keep Bristol from getting pregnant. Connie Morella of Maryland had eight children and was still an effective Representative for a long time.

No, Sarah Palin was just dumb.

Anonymous said...

Palin should either pose nude or just fade away into obscurity. That's about all she has to offer. Put up or shut up.

Anonymous said...

Over and over again, you make these jibes about Joe Biden's brains. When are you going to admit that Palin is not smart? Biden is likely much smarter than Palin is.

Anonymous said...

You know, there is a female politician who managed to have five children (at least three of whom have prestigious degrees themselves) and a high powered political career while being both a hands-on mother and pretty conversant in the political issues of the day. She's also been at least as much of a target of the Drudge-Fox-Limbaugh machine as Palin was a target of the Huffington Post-MSNBC-Kos people. And yet, she seems to have done pretty well for herself and didn't find it necessary to quit her job two years early. Yet I don't see many iSteve readers saying a kind word about Nancy Pelosi and her admirable fecundity.

John Anello said...

Over and over again, you make these jibes about Joe Biden's brains. When are you going to admit that Palin is not smart? Biden is likely much smarter than Palin is.
I agree, Joe Biden’s IQ is probably about 275. Have you ever heard him explain how President Kennedy ordered the A-bomb dropped on Germany to defeat the terrorist who were plotting 9/11? This guy needs a Dr. Scholls pad on the roof of his mouth.

But when his incoherent babble gets to bad for even his liberal interviewer to tolerate he can always save himself by saying “it was all George Bush’s fault” and the epsilon semi-moron Obama voters will cheer.

Richard Hoste said...

Steve,

I wanted to like Sarah Palin. A beautiful, conservative white woman with 5 kids. That's what liberals hated about her, I know.

And I know that she didn't have time to study foreign policy.

But still. What does that have to do with why she couldn't name a single newspaper that she reads? Or the nonsense about seeing Russia from her house?

I don't know if it's low IQ or her being so nervous that makes her ramble and says ridiculous things. Either way, she's not cut out for prime time.

You've never gotten over your initial positive feelings told her and it clouds your judgement. This is not the conclusion I wanted to come to but watching her is painful.

Anonymous said...

At least where I live, the GOP is not going to get anymore votes by going after the ignorant creationist redneck vote. That stuff has nothing to do conservatism anyway. Fundamentalists had no role in making the modern conservative movement. They were all Democrats then.

Anonymous said...

"Biden is likely much smarter than Palin is."

Let's break out the IQ tests and test that.

Biden is not terribly bright, a blind man facing the wrong direction could spot that.

Palin, unlike Obama, didn't need race quotas to get into college and advance her academic career. If I were Obama I'd be embarrassed to cash my paycheck and that goes double for his barely literate hatebox of a wife.

Notice the near-perfect positive correlation between the decline of western civilization and allowing women to vote. All they've ever done, in every single country, is vote left: higher taxes, race quotas, soft on crime, nanny state-ism, more government, etc., etc. They have been judged and, in the balance, found to be lacking.

The GOP wouldn't have lost a single election over the past 75 years if you subtract the stunned whore vote; they're fully responsible for the rapid decline of western civilization.

Anonymous said...

"Both Palin and Biden sound like they have Aspergers syndrome."

Right, and Al Sharpton is Rain Man. Jeepers, where do this people come from?

Anonymous said...

Parenthetically, do you know who my heroes are?

-Todd Palin
-The Captain, from Captain & Tenille. They're still together, you know, and still tight. Watching their videos on Youtube, it's like we were a different species in 1974 or whenever it was, check it out.

Can't quite elucidate why, but they're my heroes.

SGOTI said...

Ugh. I read that butt annoying Sandra Tsing Loh article. I'd bounce that broad and all of her fat-assed, hussy friends out of the crib so fast the front door could provide green power for the neighborhood.

They'd REALLY need therapy after I was done.

Although any guy that belongs to a *fennel club* is fairly irredeemably ghey. Hey, I like to cook as much (and I cook better) than the next guy, but the only acceptable men's clubs are rod & gun.

can't believe my eyes said...

"[Obama's] a good, well-directed PR front man who falls into confused babble when the teleprompter goes out. Palin can wing it."

"No, Palin can't "wing it" either."

And you know that how? Not been tested enough yet. She hasn't had 4 years of being touted as the next president from the rooftops and every Soros/Ruppert owned publication on the planet. If that had been the case, I'd bet my voter's card (a worthless document nowadays, but with sentimental value) that she'd do a better job than that automaton stick insect we're now stuck with for at least 4 years. She did a comparative "wing" with her speech at the Rep. convention after the teleprompter broke. Now she had practiced it all day and it may well have been written by another than the candidate, as was the case with Obama's. However, she can still do the recitation and speak a few words of her own mind. That is something Obama absolutely does not do. The time I heard him stuttering about a health care plan after the teleprompter stopped was traumatic even to an unbeliever like me. Still the only reason he could be there is 8 years of Bush.
Palin may be a viable candidate some years from now. By the time she'd be a likely winner she will be so owned by the press, that she won't be much better than what we've got.
Personally I think we should get rid of voting for individuals. They get to fancy themselves a sort of royalty. We should be voting for a committee. A roundtable. yeah, I know. That brings a whole different set of probs. But we've got to try something else.

Anonymous said...

The unmentionable issue regarding Palin is that she is stupid, and because of her relatively advanced age (45), she is very unlikely to become smarter, and given that she has 5 children, one of whom is stupid and slutty and another of whom is a retarded baby, she is unlikely to have time to improve herself even if she wishes to do so.

At least, this remains unmentionable in conservative circles.

J said...

In terms of comparisons Thatcher won scholarships to her high school and then Oxford. I think even if she had 5 kids she would still be more knowledgeable than Palin.

Truth said...

"Palin is as impressive a woman as I've seen in this day and age..."

I take it you're single.

"I fear for my country. I think Palin is the only chance we have. Not becuase of what she is, but becuase only she can bring out the non-leftist voters."

I really hope this is an off-the-cuff response that you did not have time to think about. I mean, let's just be serious for one second; if one cannot deal with the day to day pressure and criticizm of running a state with the population of Columbus, OH, how in holly hell would she handle the middle east conflict and the worldwide economy crisis?

"If you want to see an America that resembles Argentina, don't. Becuase only she will bring out the white non-leftist vote...."

Uh, Argentina has a higher white population percentage than the US.

" at least she had a bunch of kids and pisses off the right people. Todd's a good guy as well. I love promoting her around leftists.

Romney/Palin '12- America's last hope.

Great qualifications for being president, undoubtedly; and I'm assuming here that Romney is on top of the Romney/Palin ticket...but why the hell would anyone run for VP twice?

"Given ten, twenty years of seasoning she might be a presidential timber..."

Given ten, twenty years, she will be old and wrinkled, and that, my friend, negates her major political asset. If you don't agree with that, tell me, why didn't they nominate Elizabeth Dole or Olympia Snowe?

"And this is not a eugenics thing about Trig, I am glad she had him and he seems pretty cool in the Special Olympics video, which itself shows that Palin is about four and half times the human being that Obama, Michelle, or I am."

Well, she's had a "physically challenged" son, a daughter who got knocked up at 16, and two other kids who will probably never set foot on a college campus. Now I'm not one to pass judgment, but she's hardly a poster child for the Joseph Goebbels movement; and I think it's great you give her credit for being 4.5 times the human being you are, but why M.O.?

"How can anyone think that carpentry is unmanly?"

Because it ain't mergers and acquisitions!

"Palin, unlike Obama, didn't need race quotas to get into college and advance her academic career."

Black people don't need them to get into Jr. College either.

I must admit, this post it highly amusing, I can hardly contain a laugh as you people sit here an play America's favorte game show;

(Audience in Unison!)
WHICH...WHITEY...IS THE DUMBEST?

And here's your host Wiiiink Mart-in-dale!!!!!

-"Thank you, thank you. We've got a great show today. Our contestants are, a verbally challenged VP from Delaware known for his gaffes let's have a big hand for Jooooeee Biden (applause)

-"And we also have a Governor from Alaska who can see Russia from her front porch Say-rah Pay-len (applause)

The winner today will go for the grand champion designation on Friday against against the winner of President George W. "Putting food on their familieeeeees" Bush (applause) and John "3rd from the bottom of his classssssssssss" McCain. (applause)

I'd like to introduce our special judges, from the panel at Isteve.blogspot.com; T99, Ronduck, and Luciussssss...Vorenusssssss (applause.)

Anonymous said...

Usually, you get only one chance to make a first impression. Sarah got two: first her nominating speech at the R convention; second, her sit down interviews with assorted hostile media types.

As unfair as the sit down interviews were, they indicated that although she is a woman of great political instincts, she has only a so-so intellect. What I'd really like to see in 2012 is a razor-witted SOB to go toe-to-toe with Obama -- a young Dick Cheney who is capable of holding Hopey's feet to the fire in a one-on-one debate over all his idiot policies and positions.

Anonymous said...

Sarah Palin is now irrelevant in every way a person could possibly be.

If she were an actress, right now she'd only be second choice for a cameo role in a movie about black lesbian vampire nuns. Featuring Coolio.

Could we please drop this topic already?

keypusher said...

Yet I don't see many iSteve readers saying a kind word about Nancy Pelosi and her admirable fecundity.

Good point, Anon!

By the way, when was the last time we had someone running for Pres/VP who really could wax eloquent off the cuff?

Better yet, who cares? You know who's a genius at eloquence (of a sort) of the cuff? This guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1if9kLJpWw

JournoList hack said...

I've been posting under "anonymous" above, about 20 times or so. I'll say it again under my own name, Sarah Palin is stupid.

I'm not ashamed to come out and say it in the light of day, either. And I'll say it again. Count on it.

can't believe my eyes said...

"Black people don't need them to get into Jr. College either."

Blacks do need AA to get into jr. college (it's called community college in most places nowadays), or at least many of them do. Blacks are admitted with grades that would be ineligible for whites. In fact, it is at this level of higher education that the discrepancy is most noticable. Few people of any race go to Ivy League universities but many people go to a community college at some time or other, and it is in these places that you see a real cross section and a far more common and prevalent level of intellect. Some of the students are very smart, and the teachers are often excellent, so having people who can't really hack it in the classrooms in large numbers, makes an impression.
At the "community college" there are ACT tests and many blacks would not be accepted without special admission policies. I worked in the offices of a community college and I worked in a financial aid office of a university. They also get priority -- or they did during the 80s and 90s, don't know about now -- for financial aid and race trumped real financial need to an amazing extent.

Anonymous said...

"Besides, she wasn't "involved" enough to keep Bristol from getting pregnant."


Uh, isn't that dad's job?

Where I am from it is the males that protect the females from other males.

Anonymous said...

As someone mentioned, the best thing about Palin is that she drives many of the wrong people absolutely and clearly insane (Letterman, oberman, Damon, etc).

The worst thing about Palin is that she attracts many of the same people that have destroyed the GOP: neocons like Kristol.

She would make a good VP to a Romney, but that's about it at this point.

Anonymous said...

Yet I don't see many iSteve readers saying a kind word about Nancy Pelosi and her admirable fecundity.

You don't hear the MSM seeking to trash any politician's children the way Palin's have (and still are). Most politicians prefer to keep their kids out of the media and the MSM generally respects this, especially for Democrats.

Anonymous said...

Michelle Malkin calls this unbalanced and disproportionate visceral hatred for Sarah Palin PDS or Palin Derangement Syndrome.

See HalfSigma for a textbook example of classic PDS. He jumps at the chance to trash her at the slightest MSM bait much like he does to Ron Paul.

I'm mixed on the woman. In better times she wouldn't made the grade by a longshot, but given today's limited choices and empty suits she's a contender.

Anonymous said...

"Notice the near-perfect positive correlation between the decline of western civilization and allowing women to vote. All they've ever done, in every single country, is vote left: higher taxes, race quotas, soft on crime, nanny state-ism, more government, etc., etc. They have been judged and, in the balance, found to be lacking.

The GOP wouldn't have lost a single election over the past 75 years if you subtract the stunned whore vote; they're fully responsible for the rapid decline of western civilization."

As a woman it is hard on the ego to say this but, It is true.

The original constitution had its own version of an IQ test in it. Male, 21 and over, property owner.

It would be interesting to know the average IQ of a property-owning American male citizen over 21.

Anonymous said...

"The more unmentionable issue regarding Palin is the anti-White nature of the fear and loathing the media directs at her and the White voters she appeals to."

Hear! Hear!
And, Taanstafl, besides the hate the media spews, it's amazing to see the hate spewed by average Joe lefties:

Some quotes from the comments here:

"not very bright or insightful"
"nah. palin's just an idiot."
"doofus"
"I hated her because she was anti-intellectual and ignorant, and proudly ignorant at that."
"Sarah Palin was just dumb."
"GOP is not going to get anymore votes by going after the ignorant creationist redneck vote."

So, The Left, who toss off assurances that IQ doesn't exist; that differences in IQ scores are due to oppression from mean, racist, White, haters; that it is WRONG to hate; that slinging stereotypical slur words is WRONG; and only an ignorant redneck would do such things, when they post on comments boards, sling slurs like "ignorant redneck"; tell us why they HATE Sarah Palin; and tell us how Sarah Palin is an idiot, dumb, anti-intellectual and ignorant, and not very bright and insightful.

Fascinating that the kind of people who do the above, who generally walk around insufferably satisfied with themselves on what bright, insightful, intellectual, smart guys they are, can't seem to come up with any new insights to use for insults besides "anti-intellectual" and "ignorant."

Sigh. I wish I could bring myself to be a lefty. It must be fun to be a shameless hypocrite.

Drat. It's my misfortune that God cursed me with a sense of integrity.

Anonymous said...

She has a face that will age quite well "Truth." She'll be a lot esier on the eyes at than much of what has passed through the White House over the years.
A lot of people don't care for Palin and want a better candidate. Understood. But some of the weird vitriolic comments don't sound like steve's usual commenters. Can't put my finger on it. Usually they'd get into the gender issues and the race thing, but the focus on the lady's "stupidity" by a few anons when she's clearly functioned in a government capacity in a way more independent and efficient nature than some other well-known examples, is a clue.
She ain't THAT dismissive a possibility compared to some we've had and there have been far more "irrelevant" topics on this blog that went on and on.
Something tells me this ex-governor is not going away, the O-bots know it, and the filleting knives are already being sharpened in both camps.

She should have just ordered the schools to "close" her records like Obama did.

Anonymous said...

"Yet I don't see many iSteve readers saying a kind word about Nancy Pelosi and her admirable fecundity."


We will stick up for her as soon as the MSM trashes her and her family. Since, the media pretends not to notice the idiotic stuff she does and refuses to investigate her personal dealings, why would anyone defend her against attacks that don't exist?

wake up said...

>By the way, 67-year-old genius Vice-President Joe Biden got off message on a talk show yesterday and basically told Israel it's okay to bomb Iran.

as if age has anything to do with biden's legendary stupidity.....

check the decades long track record of moronic joe biden statements saved for posterity on youtube........ the clip of biden on the microphone introducing the wheelchair bound politician and demanding[!] that the guy stand up to take a bow is one of the most egregious political gaffes in the history of the usa and an absolute humiliation for anyone except an idiotic narcissist like joe biden who simply cannot be humiliated.....

it's true: nothing biden says or does no matter how stupid can cause his own personal humiliation... it is only after being informed by aides that he has screwed up that he will act contrite and humiliated in order to manage the media and public perception.....yes he can perform that chore.....

joe biden has said some stuff that makes dan quail sound steady...

senator biden was a banking lobbyist favorite and that is why he got the vp job........

Anonymous said...

1. She quit and didn't say why. The people who elected her have a right to be pissed.

2. Lots of people have mentioned the kids vs job thing. It's like a whole industry. If she can't do the job she shouldn't have run.

3. She's lauded for not aborting a retarded kid. I guess it shows the Republitards taking their platform seriously. You're regular voter sees that, thinks their going to be forced to do the same and, logically, votes against them.

4. I seriously wish I could bet on her future somehow. At best she's going to be a hotter Mary Matalin type talking head. R.I.P. Maybe theirs some porn vid out there. Wouldn't that be fun.

5. No matter how dumb Biden is, he beats her. At least he doesn't wink.

Anonymous said...

I love how T99 calls Letterman a guy who was one of the first to go on Iraq USO tours a hard lefty.

As for the rest of the screed - bro, you need to get laid. Sorry. It's just true.

Sarah Obamacain Pelosibush said...

I like how it's 2008 C.E. and people still write in this comment section, over and over, as if politicians mean anything in a plutocracy. Go GOP! Go Democrats! Go State, Beat Tech! Go Shelbyville, Beat Springfield! Democracy! Capitalism!

Before you can utilize politics to effect any type of change, you need a people.

Anonymous said...

can't believe my eyes said...
"No, Palin can't "wing it" either."

And you know that how?


I've seen her interviews. She's painfully incoherent and inarticulate. Sorry, but she's just not ready for prime time. I wanted to like her, I really did, but she's an embarrassment.

I shouldn't have to say this, but apparently I do: my low opinion of Palin's abilities doesn't mean I'm a huge fan of Obama.

Anonymous said...

keypusher said...

"By the way, when was the last time we had someone running for Pres/VP who really could wax eloquent off the cuff?"

Better yet, who cares?


Well, being quick on your feet, good at the cut-and-thrust of ex tempore debate, and able to use the bully pulpit effectively are useful skills for a President and indicate a high level of a certain kind of intelligence. Plus, it would be nice for a change to have a President who didn't make you (and the rest of the world) cringe whenever he opened his mouth.

Lucius Vorenus said...

Anonymous: But some of the weird vitriolic comments don't sound like steve's usual commenters. Can't put my finger on it.

The Secret Side of David Axelrod
The Obama campaign's chief strategist is a master of "Astroturfing" and has a second firm that shapes public opinion for corporations
By Howard Wolinsky
March 14, 2008
businessweek.com

How Obama Is Using the Science of Change
By Michael Grunwald
Apr. 02, 2009
time.com

...The existence of this behavioral dream team - which also included best-selling authors Dan Ariely of MIT (Predictably Irrational) and Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein of the University of Chicago (Nudge) as well as Nobel laureate Daniel Kahneman of Princeton - has never been publicly disclosed, even though its members gave Obama white papers on messaging, fundraising and rumor control as well as voter mobilization...

PS: To the extent that these people aren't simply professional astroturfers, they betray the fundamentalistic nihilism inherent to the Ayn Randian crowd at Reason.com and the Darwinian crowd at GNXP.com.

Anonymous said...

Sarah Palin is a member of the lumpen proletariat. In ordinary times such people should tend to their own affairs and leave governing to those better qualified for the task. But these are not ordinary times. The government and both political parties are controlled by a hostile elite bent on destroying the white working class and the old America which is largely their legacy. I don't care if Sarah Palin has the IQ of a fence post. Until one of our political parties comes to its senses and recognizes that the white working class has rights and is worth preserving, I will vote for her.

The Wobbly Guy said...

It's interesting. Obviously, we want politicians who are

a) smart
b) have character
c) rational/logical mental frameworks (non-crazy)

I don't think Obama is stupid, but he certainly lacks character, given the way he tends to throw people under the bus, and expiry dates on all his promises. Add to that he's a crazy (human neurological uniformity, global warming, keynesian economics).

Palin might not be as smart as we would like, but she at least has character, and almost certainly, she won't be as fervent a crazy as Obama, or almost any democrat.

Which makes her an automatically better choice.

Character and small government > smarts

regular joe said...

Ok, seriously. I loved Palin when I saw her speech. I donated that night a pile i'll never get back based on that that enthusiasm. I love the idea of Palin, but seriously, those who say she's real real smart, Smarter than Obama! are just self deluded. She isn't dumb, but she ain't book smart, including verbal fluency and literacy. Her written statements issued to the national press read like jumbled yearbook scrawlings, and her self written speeches are a shambles.

Verbal IQ ain't everything, God bless the quiet folk good with their hands, God bless Sarah Palin Mayor of Wasilla and Govenor or Alaska, but if you want to play at the national level, you've got to speak cogently...OK, W couldn't, but he had family backing.

And everyone is kinda done with W doncha think? Maybe in addition to his Great Black Hopeness, Obama is adored as a non stumble-tongued releif from W, whereas Sarah promised only more and more.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe the way some people on this blog including Steve himself, continue to defend Sarah Palin. This is what the GOP wants to run in 2012?, Has the well run that dry with good candidates? You should be able to toss darts at pictures of the Republican members of the House and Senate and find a better candidate than her. She is the quintessential dim bulb, she can't answer even the simplest question that is thrown her way if it is not something she has rehearsed. She looks confused, stammers a bit and then repeats the same pat answer that lead to the question in the first place. If the interviewer persists, she either repeats it yet again or goes on some inexplicable tangent that throws together several unrelated points having nothing to do with what she originally said.

Responding to some of the posts: Of course the media is out to get her, because she was clearly out of her depth running for VP in 2008. Her being a Republican had very little to do with that. Any candidate that shows up to interviews completely unprepared and then needs her running mate hovering over her like a concerned parent to help her answer questions in a "do-over" interview with that intellectual giant Katie Couric is going to be hammered. The media is like a shark smelling blood in the water, show any weakness and they are going to attack, and ideology has nothing to do with that, just ask Gary Hart and Joe Biden who were both torpedoed in '88 for infidelity and plagiarism respectively. Yeah the media has a left-wing bias, but if she were smart it wouldn't matter because she would not keep putting her foot in her mouth. She is almost too easy to attack, she's dumb and is thin-skinned to boot, her being conservative is just icing on the cake as far as the media is concerned. She is not the American Thatcher, she is the Anti-Thatcher.

Truth said...

"Blacks do need AA to get into jr. college (it's called community college in most places nowadays), or at least many of them do. Blacks are admitted with grades that would be ineligible for whites. In fact, it is at this level of higher education that the discrepancy is most noticable."

Buddy, what in the holly hell are you talking about. Community colleges take people who HAVEN'T EVEN GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL for crying out freaking loud!!!!

Anonymous said...

"No matter how dumb Biden is, he beats her. At least he doesn't wink."

Oh, yes he does--he winks on occasion. I have witnessed it, and he's a flasher too. He flashes those teeth which have been whiter-than white before most people ever heard of porcelains or teeth-whiteners.

Then, of course, there are his hair plugs which I have had fun following. Yep, I have been following Joe since at least 1987, C-SPAN junkie that I am. He's a riot. He has a problem with delusions.

Kevin B said...

Tina Fey made the comment about Russia while in character as Palin. It is now gospel that Palin made the statement.

I agree with Tanstaafl. There's something deeply ethnic going on with the intensity of dislike towards Palin. I wouldn't say that if it were just Democrats and the media firing away at her. Because it's not. Most of the GOP establishment is drawing out the knives. Brookes called her a "cancer" for god's sakes.

I'm not one who is especially enamored with her and I don't like drifting into Jew/Gentile territory, but I feel in my gut that ethnic/racial friction is playing a major role in how she is framed. Which in turn becomes its own reality, passed into the culture at large to be consumed by all. See Russia above.

Just a pedantic aside for the more righteous posters on this thread. If you're going to get sanctimonious over IQ, you should learn the difference between "you're" and "your," "too" and "to," "its" and it's," and the big one, "there, they're and their."

IQ markers, one and all.

headache said...

"It is not totally obvious, as I have never yet seen anyone figure out how much time her husband spends raising their children."


Seems the Palin's are an old-fashioned big family lot where everybody helps each other. I can imagine the grandparents are all over the children, basically freeing Sarah up. This is still the best model for society and would help a great deal in reducing all the insanity we see all around us.

testing99 said...

Reactionary -- good point. I should say, High Status. Though Palin is not the Master of the Universe kind of guy, he comes off as a laid back guy when he's not competing in those snow machine races. Sort of like the public persona of Peyton Manning. Who's probably driven and competitive, but has a carefully nurtured easy-going public persona that appeals to guys.
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I certainly hope Israel bombs the hell out of Iran. Saudis have reportedly given the go-ahead. They're as afraid of Iranian nukes (well almost) as Israel. If Israel would be the first target, Saudis would be the second, and Iran is next door, hungry, and needing loot to buy peace internally. American defense guarantees under Obama are worthless. [Mother Jones folks are hoping the US Navy will "Defend" Iran and that's probably close to much of Obama's Administration thinking -- Samantha Power mused as much wrt Israel and Hamas recently.]

Truth -- Palin never claimed she could see Russia from her house. That was Tina Fey. Don't confuse SNL with reality. [Again, SWPL snobs hate Palin, and ground zero for that is feminized men and women.] Palin is the best chance against Elites, who hate this country and it's (White) people. Ron Paul is a crank and loser, though he was probably right about the Gold Standard. His reflexive hatred of Israel is a loser among Evangelical Whites, particularly among Working class Whites. Weird but true -- Working Class Whites and Evangelicals support Israel more than urbanized, SWPL-ized Jews.

Letterman's a Hard Lefty all right. He's never made ONE joke about Obama, and would never have made a joke about Michelle Obama or Obama's kids. He's as hard a Lefty as they come. A USO appearance years ago in Kuwait don't count.
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WRT Israel, what can Biden do? Use military force to shoot down any Israeli missiles or planes? Saudis, who have almost as much to fear from IRanian nukes, have given the OK for overflight on their territory.

Withdrawal of the US defense umbrella from Israel and the Saudis/Gulf kingdoms has it's consequences. Everyone looks to themselves. Long-term, the Saudis are racing to nuke up too. Iran is just over the Gulf, has lots of claims on Gulf territory, and needs lots of loot to buy peace internally. Obama has bet it all on talk and his Rockstar Status among SWPL and women to trump hard men with nukes.

Israelis take Iran at it's word, that it wants to wipe out Israel and will do so as soon as possible. Heck that even resurrected Bibi, who was politically dead and buried a few years ago. But the Saudis and others know they'll be next on the list. It applies to others too. I'd be shocked if Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Australia were not busy nuking up. Australia has a very public increase in it's defense budget.

Isolationism has it's consequences. More war and more instability.

Anonymous said...

"By the way, 67-year-old genius Vice-President Joe Biden got off message on a talk show yesterday and basically told Israel it's okay to bomb Iran."

Ah finally a democrat pol right after Testy's heart!

Chuck said...

what a waste of a post....did you actually *say* anything in this blog post? the answer is no

Anonymous said...

"I certainly hope Israel bombs the hell out of Iran. "


Saudi Arabia is much more destructive to the West than Iran. They have been using their money and soft-finance influence for years to quietly massage the West for an Islamic takeover. Using the petro-wealth and power, they have strong-armed numerous concessions from the EU and the US, most importantly in the financial sector. We are going to see some of that Sharia influence coming through the banks soon. Already there is quiet talk of Muslim connections in European banks withholding credit for European small businesses, whilst extending it freely to Kebap houses, as if we need that inedible shit. Even Obama fell on his knees before that fat Saudi king.

Israel is worried about competition as to who militarily controls the ME. The only serious competition comes from Iran. Of all Muslim states, they alone have the intelligence, the numbers and fanaticism to pull it off. This is the reason why we should all worry about Iran.

By making such an irresponsible statement, testy has shown his hand. The only thing he worries about is not getting laid by models and cheerleading for Israel. If Israel nukes Iran it's public image will be down the toilet. Not even the hegemonic control of western news outlets, and all the bullying of western governments by outfits such as APIAC and WJC will be able to fix that.

Anonymous said...

Steve, is there a filter-function to weed out O-bots such as "Truth"?

Anonymous said...

"Buddy, what in the holly hell are you talking about. Community colleges take people who HAVEN'T EVEN GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL for crying out freaking loud!!!!"

Aye. BUT, there's that pesky ol' ACT thing, again, to assure that the high schoolers in the college classes are superior students, capable of doing the work.

My kid, who just graduated high school, in fact took some CC courses during her high school career. The ones she signed up for independently of her high school, that I paid for, she had to have the ACT score sufficient to get in.

The ones BOCES (i.e., public K-12 school-district-funded) paid for were made available to high schoolers under the same sort of philosophy as AP courses. One of the stipulations that I had to agree to was, if she'd earned less than a C, then I would have had to reimburse the school district. This policy was instituted to discourage dullards and slackers from wasting the college's time.

Anonymous said...

"It was no coincidence that the “Left” fought its first battle with the “Right” on race and the principle of non-discrimination. They knew exactly where to strike. Notice how the castrated “conservatives” surrendered every battle after that in quick succession: abortion, feminism, gay rights, third world immigration, affirmative action, political correctness, etc. They lost every single time. Once a man concedes that his own kin are equal to non-kin, he can be trained to believe anything. He won’t be inspired to “preserve” anything. He will go along with the flow.

"Turn on your television. Watch how the “conservatives” now scramble to find some non-white or woman to represent them: Michael Steele, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin. These people have been so completely and utterly defeated that they now have to advertise their ideas in black face. By 2025, their presidential standard bearer will be a Hispano-African transsexual.

"These pointless debates will nevertheless continue."

*
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/06/10/white-and-free/

Anonymous said...

I realise, T99, that you are talking about what some women aspire to, not what actually happens. But there are really are not that many Mr Bigs to go around. Surely most women are not seriously counting on one walking through the door to whisk them away from all this.

Also - Ive alluded this before - any real Mr. Big (and Mrs.Big) would not have an illegal latina Rosa as a nanny. If thats the sort of nanny they have they have already failed to reach Big status!

green mamba said...

"Sarah Palin is a member of the lumpen proletariat."

Her father was a schoolteacher and her mother was a nurse. So, no.

Anonymous said...

JournoList hack said...I've been posting under "anonymous" above, about 20 times or so. I'll say it again under my own name, Sarah Palin is stupid.

And thats your own name? I'd love to see that birth certificate, guess your parents had a funny way of thinking.

Bill said...

I don't understand why conservatives like Palin so much. Using her office to help her sister in a custody dispute was a disgusting thing to do, and unforgivable in my book.

Anonymous said...

"By making such an irresponsible statement, testy has shown his hand. The only thing he worries about is not getting laid by models and cheerleading for Israel."
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Because 'Mr.T' deep down - fundaMENTALly - at heart - is a tremendously warped!

If the 'Scots-Irish' T-boy is indeed SI and not Jewish (which we all suspect), he is exactly the type of (A)pproval (S)eeking (S)upplicant the mass media encourages of 'gentiles'!
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"I realise, T99, that you are talking about what some women aspire to, not what actually happens. But there are really are not that many Mr Bigs to go around. Surely most women are not seriously counting on one walking through the door to whisk them away from all this."
==

If only T-rex would take off the pop-culture blinders, maybe the scales would begin to 'fall from his eyes' and he would be able to find a decent girl--instead of chasing after tramps and skanks--getting all frustrated and taking out his angst on Us here in the Steve-O-Sphere!!!

Reactionary said...

Surely most women are not seriously counting on one walking through the door to whisk them away from all this.

For all our sakes I hope you're right.

Because otherwise we are going to get a polyandrous matriarchy, and you can kiss American standards of living goodbye forever at that point.

Truth said...

"Truth -- Palin never claimed she could see Russia from her house."

Oh! My mistake Tee.


ThisIs what she actually said. Slightly better, although not exactly William Jennings Bryan.

"Steve, is there a filter-function to weed out O-bots such as "Truth"?"

Sure there is Bro', it's called Fascism!

"Aye. BUT, there's that pesky ol' ACT thing, again,"

I guess JC's work differently where you are; around here, anyone who wants to learn to change his oil can attend.

can't believe my eyes said...

"Buddy, what in the holly hell are you talking about. Community colleges take people who HAVEN'T EVEN GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL for crying out freaking loud!!!!"

You must have little experience of community colleges and the admission process in two-year post-high school institutions of higher learning. I can't speak for the entire country, but in the DC metro area and Maryland, standards are stringent enough in these schools to require affirmative action in order for the black percentage to be "high enough" for their numbers in the area.
Community colleges look at grades and for most there is the ACT for entrance. Since the early 70s, there have been programs allowing persons who have not yet graduated from high school to attend classes in these colleges, but this was contingent upon the student having demonstrated capacity. Here's where the AA kicks in.
The ones in Maryland and the DC metro area were certainly not opening their mouths like a humongous whale, accepting whoever floated in, but they have to meet their quotas.
I heard from a number of people with experience that the classes in the Montgomery County Community colleges, were tougher than the University of Maryland because the teachers seek to disabuse the students that two-year schools are not to be taken seriously. The nursing program is particularly rigorous, as is the the art program, of all things.
Yes, they do use "affirmative action" to get more blacks in and even with the lower standards of admission, a higher percentage drop out. There is no school with any sort of intellectually selective process that does not make special concessions to blacks based on race and not socio-economic status. If you think this is wrong, good, but so far the unaniminity with which most (not all) blacks and white liberals support educational institution AA for blacks, no matter what the socio-economic background, is an admission of intellectual inferiority of blacks. This is especially pertinent in PG and Montgomery County, Maryland, where huge numbers of blacks have had well-paid, secure, government jobs for years now, and have moved from the inner city into the suburbs. It is saying that they will never, under any circumstances, be able to compete intellectually on a level playing field with other races. The same could be said for women in certain areas.
Whether I agree with this or not, logically this is the message.

In any case, in the Ivy League vs. small town Community College debate going on here, I will say one thing is certain.
Whatever institution of learning a presidential candidate attended, the records should be open. Accessible student records at the Community College of Honolulu tell more than closed records at Columbia and Harvard.

Anonymous said...

Of course the media is out to get her, because she was clearly out of her depth running for VP in 2008. Her being a Republican had very little to do with that.





Because the MSM routinely mocks dim Democrats like Biden? I'm starting to think that this blog has the dumbest commenters on the net.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Obama is stupid, but he certainly lacks character, given the way he tends to throw people under the bus, and expiry dates on all his promises. Add to that he's a crazy (human neurological uniformity, global warming, keynesian economics).





I think Obama is pretty stupid, and wonder why so many on the right are willing to accept that he is intelligent. What has he actually done with his life other than be promoted above his pay grade time and again? The man is a media creation, nothng more. They got him elected and they are responsible for such popularity as he still retains.

Anonymous said...

"can't believe my eyes said...
"No, Palin can't "wing it" either."

And you know that how?

I've seen her interviews. She's painfully incoherent and inarticulate. Sorry, but she's just not ready for prime time. I wanted to like her, I really did, but she's an embarrassment. "

Guess it depends on one's concept of "winging it." Still, it was honest incoherency from a candidate speaking on her own. Better that than a person who must, in every public discourse, be fed each line from handlers.
Let here be no doubt. The choice of these people for the "Presidency" is not left to chance, has little to do with what most voters want, and occurs at a level we will never see. Woodrow Wilson whispered that nearly 100 years ago (and no, he didn't mean Jews necessarily.) It's only gotten worse.

Anonymous said...

OT, but kinda related, as the split between the over-educated nutroots and the lunchpail union crowd they depend on for votes is beginning to widen. The intercine warfare amongst the Donkeys has begun in earnest!

Up here in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, we had the dry run for the Obama campaign in our last governor's race, starring The One's fellow Chicagoland AA baby/race extortionist Deval Patrick and orchestrated by the same cast of characters (Axelrod, Plouffe, etc.). Patrick beat a weak field with ease, and has spent the subsequent months accomplishing very little, even with a 80% Democrat legislature. Being a carpetbagger, Patrick didn't realize that MA Dems are much less moonbatty on the local level than the morons we send to Congress (any discussion about intellectually and verbally abysmal pols HAS to start with the Hyannisport Orca, Teddy the K, Harvard "grad" and hero of "progressives" everywhere), and any semblence of a coherent Patrick program died aborning.

When his approvals began dipping below 45%, those with a vested interest in propping him up (the Boston Globe) began vetting the other prominent Dem pols about any possible runs for the Corner Office, essentially forcing them to go on record as denying that they'd take on a sitting governor of their own party.

The other shoe dropped yesterday; the state treasurer, Tim Cahill, announced that he was leaving the Democratic Party, fueling speculation that he would be running against Patrick. This is Patrick's worst nightmare; having to run against a good-looking, working class Irish guy who tilts much further to the right on money issues is no easy task in Boston.

Cahill is Palin; Irish Catholic, married with 4 kids, not a hint of ivy in his past, and not the most polished speaker. The local SWPL crowd is sharpening their knives to try and save their cipher of a governor (last poll-70% said they wouldn't vote for Patrick no matter his opponent). The Obama people already sent David Plouffe back to Boston to work on Patrick's moribund campaign! Sorry, Plouffy, Deval hasn't gotten any smarter or (the real reason he was elected) any blacker.

The mythology of politics in America always said that anyone could grow up to be president. Funny that most supporters of the current exemplar of said myth continue to work against it. They forget that the "best and the brightest" led to Nixon, and the "policies" of proto-Obama Jimmy Carter gave rise to 8 years of Reagan.

AMac said...

Along with the Regulars (for better & worse), a more vehement set of commenters opining on Steve's brief, somewhat ordinary observation.

Presumably some new folks (welcome) are clicking on a link at some other site(s) to get here. Or perhaps Palin just fascinates. Anyone want to add details?

Marc B said...

"A more unmentionable issue regarding Palin is the anti-White nature of the fear and loathing the media directs at her and the White voters she appeals to."

You nailed it. She is as much of a vehicle for MSM commentators to bash the working class/suburban/Middle American whites as she is a mask to cover up the true Straussian face of the Republican party power brokers. I remember when liberals would proudly state that the Democratic party was the party of the working people, but now they BRAG that is the party of the Eastern Establishment, NPR Demographic, and minorities.

Anonymous said...

Why do people who dislike Palin need "new insults" or "new insights" into why she's so awful?

She's dumb and proud of her stupidity. Others have said it many times before, yes, because it's true.

headache said...

agnostic said...
Palin is ambitious but not very bright or insightful.



Wow, as someone coming from Africa and having had to endure the tin-pot dictators down there strutting around in cheetah skins, with several wives, with the bodies of their enemies in their refrigerators, having blown the equivalent of 4 Marshall Plans in aid on top of the enormous incomes in minerals for weapons, drugs and consumables, whilst their populations starve and their countries go to shit, I find Sarah to be comparatively a genius.

Mind you, most western pols can hardly be more intelligent than Sarah considering how the once mighty West has been drilled down in the last 30 years, mostly by the mismanagement and cluelessness of the post-68 "elite", i.e. the ones trying to tell us Sarah is dumb as shit. These people should crawl under a rock and cry because they f.u. the once most prosperous and advanced cultural block of the earth.

Anyway, Sarah is a lot more comfortable on the eyes than say Mandela, Mugabe or Winnie Mandela. And once you strip off the artificial hype over those criminals, I am sure she'll turn out to be smarter as well. What does it take to murder your followers??

Victoria said...

This is the major reason women hate Palin. With a passion. Her choice of Blue Collar but supportive husband ...

I'm really amused by these claims of why people "hate" her. As if it's not possible to dislike this woman on the basis of all that she has revealed about herself -- right from the horse's mouth. Her dizzy, simpleminded countenance is embarrassing to observe.

Todd Palin took off from his jobs, including oil patch support, for up to six months to take care of the kids.

Well, I guess this didn't help that teenage impregnated daughter (whose name I've already forgotten), who could have used a mother.

The uninvolved dad is a modern phenomenon.

Really? I didn't know Nature planned this as a role for men. I thought it was society that had to forcefully condition men to the role of baby sitter, et. al.

If you want to preserve the America that is dominated by non-socialist, non-leftist values, support Palin.

And which "conservatives" have not internalized the socialist, leftist views on just about everything? They were the ones, during the campaign, yelling the loudest about the "sexism" being demonstrated against Palin. How can the term "sexist" be in the vocabulary of any true conservative? Is "homophobia" next?

If you want a fight, just tell a "conservative" that you don't approve of interracial marriage. You will find yourself in the midst of a battle royal about how God planted all the different colored flowers, and we must not interfere if they wish to mingle. The "white, non-leftist" vote? What distinguishes this from the bona fide leftist vote?

If the only way Whites can get elected is to be female then it's time to find a plan B.

Yes, anything -- these "conservatives" seem to be saying -- except Romney and his four (of is it five) strapping sons? You wouldn't want a display of too much white manliness. We'd rather have a "gurl" instead.

At least where I live, the GOP is not going to get anymore votes by going after the ignorant creationist redneck vote.

Yes, I think that ship has sailed. By the time of the next election, there will be even fewer of such people, and fewer people referring to themselves as "conservative."

Uh, isn't that dad's job? Where I am from it is the males that protect the females from other males.

Well, yes, dear old Dad can be the protector, if dear old Mom is not enabling the relationship between daughter and stud, in the first place. What's dear old Dad to do, when he trusts the judgment of dear old Mom?

You don't hear the MSM seeking to trash any politician's children the way Palin's have (and still are).

Gee, could this be because she brought them into the spotlight in the first place -- literally parading around her irresponsible, unmarried, pregnant daughter at a major political convention? Who would have ever thought to do such a thing? Thanks to Palin, her children will be trashed forever as laughingstocks.

Turn on your television. Watch how the “conservatives” now scramble to find some non-white or woman to represent them: Michael Steele, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin. These people have been so completely and utterly defeated that they now have to advertise their ideas in black face. By 2025, their presidential standard bearer will be a Hispano-African transsexual.

Well, you've wrapped it all up in the neatest of packages. What more is there to say?

stari_momak said...

Or the nonsense about seeing Russia from her house?

Uh, never said it. That was Tina Fey. She said quite accurately that there are points in Alaska where you can indeed see Russian territory. Moreover she is the only candidate with the situational awareness to note that Russia was resumed buzzing our West Coast, Alaska on down, with long range bombers. Just like back in the Charlie Whiskey. Its a signal that Russia is coming back -- though they have a long way to go.

Anonymous said...

Biden's comment that Israel has a "sovereign right" to bomb Iran if it feels like it was met with approval on the MSM source I accidentally was watching. (I'll be more careful in the future--in 15 minutes my IQ dropped 6 points). But he also said that Obamanomics weren't working and that provoked a lot of comment about loose lips and potential muzzling.

stari_momak said...

Pelosi, according to wiki, didn't begin her political career until 1987, when her youngest child entered high school. That was probably wise. And she came from a generation in which is was much more normal to have a lot of kids. But I'll give her credit for breeding. As far as raw smarts, she graduated from a no-name Catholic liberal arts college in Washington, take that for what it's worth.

The 'high powered' political career --well she comes from a connected family, and her husband's brother was a county planning commissioner and county supervisor. Something tells me that was a help in amassing the Nancy Pelosi fortune.
Here's a little vignette of how thinks seem to work in land-starved, immigrant impacted, run-down yet high rent SF. So you have a classic, rent-seeking family corruptocracy.

At least Todd Palin helps get a useful substance out of the ground and food from the sea.

spacehabitats said...

Actually, being a good president of the USA shouldn't be all that difficult.

All a person would need to do was read and follow the Constitution. After you got done shutting down all of the unconstitutional departments, stopped meddling in the affairs of foreign nations, restricted military actions to only those necessary for the national DEFENSE (and NO, pre-emptive wars do NOT count)and constitutionally DECLARED wars, stopped trying to solve problems that the federal government was never supposed to solve, stopped acting like being president involves projecting the charisma of a tele-evangelist and a rock star, and stopped signing bills that authorized unconstitutional government activities; the job would be a breeze.

Of course, gaining enough experience to see through the mainstream media propaganda and to realize how much damage all of these pro-active (and unconstitutional) government activities are MIGHT take some time.

Duscany said...

"Probably another benefit -- she can as a private citizen sue the pants off folks like Letterman, Vanity Fair, and Huffington Post who went after her kids."

Actually not. Having been a governor and run for vice-president, Palin is a
public figure. And thus to defame her you have have malicious intent (i.e. knowingly published or said something about her that was false. Having a bad opinion of her doesn't count.).

Geoffrey Falk said...

they betray the fundamentalistic nihilism inherent to the Ayn Randian crowd at Reason.com and the Darwinian crowd at GNXP.com.

Two words, LV: "Stronger chain."

You know, for ensuring that your wife reproduces at replacement rate. "Come on, 2.1!"

"'Tis better to live in chains than to die for freedom," right?

You're as obsessive and mindlessly repetitive as T99, but from a (presumably) religious bent instead. (You call it "Darwinism" rather than "evolution," right?) And doesn't the world need more of that? Well, that and women not being allowed to vote, cause just look at what a mess they've made of the world....

Sideways said...

Steve, is there a filter-function to weed out O-bots such as "Truth"?

There have been a number of stupid things written in this thread that Truth pointed out. He actually had a good point today. It seems like an odd time to call for banning him.

Anonymous said...

1 - Palin never said "I can see Russia from my house." That was the Saturday Night Live parody of her actual statement that, (paraphrased), "You can see Russia from some areas in Alaska."

2 - it's not clear that Letterman was talking about Bristol. Bristol wasn't on vacation with them in New York. Which leaves two possibilities: a, he's confused and doesn't realize that she has more than one daughter, or, b, he was fully aware of that fact and meant to refer to Willow. Neither option makes him look good.

Anon, it probably varies by institution, but there are absolutely no entrance requirements at the CC in my area.

Truth said...

"as someone coming from Africa and having had to endure the tin-pot dictators down there strutting around in cheetah skins, with several wives, with the bodies of their enemies in their refrigerators...I find Sarah to be comparatively a genius."

Yeah, but you know, they generally complete their terms in office.

Anonymous said...

Having been a governor and run for vice-president, Palin is a
public figure. And thus to defame her you have have malicious intent (i.e. knowingly published or said something about her that was false.





Her kids are not public figures. At least in theory. In practice the media has attacked them with gusto and said a great many false things about them.

Anonymous said...

There have been a number of stupid things written in this thread that Truth pointed out.




Truth? Pointed out stupid things? Name one. All he's doing here is repeating his DU talking points.

Richard Hoste said...

"1 - Palin never said "I can see Russia from my house." That was the Saturday Night Live parody of her actual statement that, (paraphrased), "You can see Russia from some areas in Alaska.""

Ok! She didn't actually say "from my house." The comment she did make was still plenty stupid, even if technically true.

And what about the nonsense about Putin "rearing his head" into Alaska? Was that Tina Fey too?

I caught her being interviewed by Andrea Mitchell this morning. Palin was out fishing. Mitchell asked some question about resigning and Palin's answer started with "You're not listening!" It sounded so weird and whiny. It was a perfect example of her akwardness and all I took away from the interview.

After they played the interview Mitchell was talking to the morning show host (Matt Laurer I'm 99% sure) and he asked something about exactly where the interview took place. Mitchell says something and then mumbles "you can see Russia for there."

The media elites really drop any pretense to objectivity when talking about her.

Still, you can hate the elites and recognize a ditz when you see one.

All that being said, an Obama Vs. Palin matchup for president would be a culture war the likes of which we've never see before. I don't think I'd do anything but sit in front of the TV for six months. I'm rooting for it regardless of any other considerations.

can't believe my eyes said...

"Truth", I think, claims to be black. O-bots are all whites. O-bots have been programmed and well-paid for their pains. It was never necessary to program blacks to support Obama unquestioningly.
Palin's mentality at this point is a matter of opinion, as Obama's was a year ago. On this blog and others I recall ardent to blase assumptions of Obama's high intellect, which nobody bothers much about any more. Yawn. Now we know.
If she sticks, we'll know soon enough about her too.
"Truth" can't really handle his own name, but he's not one of the visiting O-bots.

Anonymous said...

Guess it depends on one's concept of "winging it."

I'd define it as being able, in an unscripted discussion, to speak coherently and intelligently about those topics one ought to have mastered before one dares to run for office.

Yeah, yeah, I know the other guys weren't all that either.

Anonymous said...

"Well, you've wrapped it all up in the neatest of packages. What more is there to say?"

I think I love you Victoria!

ALL your posts are simply fantastic!

Keep up the awesome work!

stari_momak said...

And what about the nonsense about Putin "rearing his head" into Alaska? Was that Tina Fey too?

Richard, this again was true. Read a couple of comments up. The Russians have again begun sending long range bombers into Alaskan (i.e. US) airspace. Here's an example.

Now, the way the game is played, that is a big FU to US. Its a power play, its notice, its a 'dissing" , its on. Ten years ago, Russian couldn't do this, now it can. It is, quite literally, Putin rearing his head. Even Palin critics like that Eunomia idiot at American conservative realize that.

Truth said...

The Palin thing is a little passé by now, but what continues to be highly interesting are the self-proclaimed geniuses here, and elsewhere who continue to sing her phrases by insisting that she is

A) Brilliant

or

B) Not particularly bright but brighter than the other idiots we tend to nominate for high office.

This in complete opposition to the general markers of intellect such as school achievement, verbal facility, vocabulary, track record of success, progeny, choice of spouse...etc., and I could go on for another 1/2 paragraph.

Does the axiom "The Emperor's New Clothes" ring a bell to any of you. You consider yourselves the cognitive elite yet you can't seem to figure out that you have almost totally and completely lost the ability of dialectic thought and you pride yourselves upon proving it here on a daily basis.

Sure, I'll admit she's cute...for a 44 year old average looking mother-of-5-politician...; but as much as I would love to bang Beyonce, I feel no great compulsion to be governed by her, or to sing the praises of her intellect.

Danindc said...

Banning "Truth" ....Steve would never allow it and he does run the show. Reluctantly, I must admit I am a fan of Truth..... every time he posts complete bs he reels you back in with a great point.


I also liked the boxer Carl "the truth" Williams.... he had Holmes beat in '85

Anonymous said...

I am continually amazed by how many people on this blog want Palin to be the nominee and by extension President in 2012. As I pointed out yesterday has a Anon. poster she is a complete dimwit, she can't even handle the most routine questions from the press without uttering several nonsense responses in one statement. This is who you want leading our country? Are you completely deranged? You think this country was embarrassed by W's public statements, this woman makes him look like a Yale valedictorian by comparison. Yes, I understand that you do not have to be a Darwin or Pasteur to be a politician, but you could trip over a lot of smarter people in any small town in America than this woman. Additionally she is very thin-skinned, far too much to be a successful politico. Barring a huge economic downturn in 2012, there is no way she is electable in a general election, because even Obama would run circles around her in a debate, and I don't even think he is a particularly good debater, it's simply that she is just that bad.


A conservative columnist wrote during the campaign that she had to watch Palin's interviews with her finger hovering over the Mute button on her remote. This is because she knew that every few minutes, Palin would inevitably utter something "cringe worthy" and she couldn't bear to listen anymore. That pretty much sums up my response to watching her as well. She gives good ideas a bad name, precisely because she is so inarticulate, hopelessly confused, and over-rehearsed that most people in the center will assume the ideas themselves are bad because she is espousing them. You have to understand there are a lot of young voters out there that don't remember Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, and that when they think of the GOP their first thoughts are of W., Christian fundamentalists who believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago, and most of all, Sarah Palin. Palin if nominated will be the McGovern or Mondale of the Republican Party.

Truth said...

Thanks Danindc.

The Holmes-Williams fight was great, "The Truth"had him until Holmes started hitting him to the body, which Larry generally never did.

Anyway, I'm trying to pull myself up to a 1:4 BS:Good Point ratio.

Bill said...

Truth said...

Buddy, what in the holly hell are you talking about. Community colleges take people who HAVEN'T EVEN GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL for crying out freaking loud!!!!


Yeah, like me. Why is there something wrong with guys who had to leave high school for whatever reason having another chance?

Not all of us had mom and dad together supporting us through our adolescence -- a lot of us were out in the cold at 18 or earlier, believe it or not. Community colleges, IMO, contribute more to the greater good than the ivies. A lot of the good, solid young men I know never did more than a couple years at a CC, and now they are doing obviously worthless jobs like EMT or system administrator. What a waste...

We could do without Harvard, and might even do better. Without all the technical programs and occupational education people get at CCs we'd be in much worse shape than we are already.

headache said...

"Yeah, but you know, they generally complete their terms in office."


Yeah, the problem is you cannot get them out short of a revolution. Once they are in they just announce themselves prez for life and set about looting the till.
At least in Alaska basic infrastructure seems to work, there is food, people have jobs and the government does something useful with its money.

Anonymous said...

Truth is not a mindless O-bot.

OK, I dont usually agree with him and he did say that, yes, I was a pervert the other day (re Debbie Harry's MILF status). But he does make good points too.

Mr. Anon said...

"Truth said...

Yeah, but you know, they generally complete their terms in office."

As the term of office of an African dictator is "his natural life" or "his unnatural life as extended by the ministrations of French doctors" or even "his natural life until he is hacked to bits with a machete by his successor" - he has a great deal of incentive.

Anonymous said...

--Yeah, like me. Why is there something wrong with guys who had to leave high school for whatever reason having another chance?--

Bill, now that I've found out you went to CC, I'm going to ask that you never comment here again. You're probably not in the finance/legal fields either. And as we all know those are the only 2worthwhile professions.

Anonymous said...

"I guess JC's work differently where you are; around here, anyone who wants to learn to change his oil can attend"

You know what? You're right. Our college DOES provide oil-changing classes for single mothers. And ceramics-painting classes. And bird-watching for senior citizen classes.

HOWEVER, if you actually want to enroll as a degree seeking student and be awarded college credit for courses that will actually transfer to the university, and/or gain you an AA degree, the ol' pesky, required, ACT effectively weeds out anyone with a 2-digit IQ.

The WORKKEYS test will get 'em into the Job Corps training courses that are located on campus, but you won't be seeing those folks in Freshman Composition.

Anonymous said...

"1 - Palin never said "I can see Russia from my house." That was the Saturday Night Live parody of her actual statement that, (paraphrased), "You can see Russia from some areas in Alaska.""

Ok! She didn't actually say "from my house." The comment she did make was still plenty stupid, even if technically true.

Why? Why is that a stupid thing to say? Don't you recall the Cold War? Don't you recall that part of the justification for military spending on nuclear warheads during that era, was the proximity of Russia to the U.S., that Russia and Alaska are only a few miles apart at the nearest points? That Soviet subs could be within U.S. territorial waters in hours and we need ICBMs as a trump to that reality?

Supposedly the Cold War is now over and our old, implacable, foe has changed and now we're just, all, Best Friends Forever.
Sorry. I don't buy it.
Putin is tough, and if he gets cranky, Russian submarines could be launching missiles at U.S. within hours.

So Sarah is right, and relevant, and INSIGHTFUL to say it's IMPORTANT to pay attention to what Russia is doing, because they are geographically relatively nearby.

Seems to me you are plenty stupid to have missed the point to her statement.

noseworm said...

Truth sez:
"Anyway, I'm trying to pull myself up to a 1:4 BS:Good Point ratio."


Now I understand that s. of yours about African tin-pot dictators staying on their full term vis-a-vis Palin. Since your current BS percentage is around 99,99%, you are either purposely talking BS or straight clueless.

Anonymous said...

"Truth is not a mindless O-bot."

Is too.


"OK, I dont usually agree with him ..."

Neither do I.


"But he does make good points too."

As Tom Petty immortalized in song, "Baby, even the losers get lucky sometimes."

Anonymous said...

"The Palin thing is a little passé by now, but what continues to be highly interesting are the self-proclaimed geniuses here, and elsewhere who continue to sing her phrases by insisting that she is

A) Brilliant

or

B) Not particularly bright but brighter than the other idiots we tend to nominate for high office. "


I am not sure I agree with this assessment.

People seem to say they would prefer Palin who is of normal intelligence but at least on our side, to a genius actively working against us. Palin improved the Republican ticket in '08 by providing at least one advocate for maistream working Americans vs. Obama, McCain and Biden who will actively work against us.

Mr. Anon said...

" Anonymous said...

Palin improved the Republican ticket in '08 by providing at least one advocate for maistream working Americans vs. Obama, McCain and Biden who will actively work against us."

More like her nomination was the co-option of someone who is on our side and the using of her against us. The fact that she was willing to work for John McCain is the biggest strike against her.

Reg Cæsar said...

Notice the near-perfect positive correlation between the decline of western civilization and allowing women to vote. All they've ever done, in every single country, is vote left: higher taxes, race quotas, soft on crime, nanny state-ism, more government, etc., etc. They have been judged and, in the balance, found to be lacking. --Anonymous (naturally...)

This is so ignorant of history, I don't know where to begin. Before political science departments sank into the same morass as the rest of academe, it was a truism within them that women were more conservative voters than men. Women did not surpass men in their support for the welfare state until the first generation had grown up under it-- and they were defending the status quo, as women always do.


The GOP wouldn't have lost a single election over the past 75 years if you subtract the stunned whore vote; they're fully responsible for the rapid decline of western civilization.

Someone more informed than Mr Anonymous, and willing to do the research, calculated that in the UK, the Conservatives would not have won a single election in the 20th century without the women's vote. Men supported Labour.

In this country, the 10 or 11 states that rejected the 19th Amendment broke records in their support for FDR, even after he revealed himself to be a Stalinist. (They also loved Wilson.) Upper-crust Unitarian Bostonian matrons went for Hoover, Landon, Willkie and Dewey, but were swamped by their swarthy he-man neighbors.

Anonymous said...

"The GOP wouldn't have lost a single election over the past 75 years if you subtract the stunned whore vote; they're fully responsible for the rapid decline of western civilization."

"...the stunned whore vote; they're fully responsible for the rapid decline of western civilization."

Calling Mr. Testy... .