December 20, 2007

Hu's Rule in Action

The Republican Establishment has long assumed that they would someday get back to winning the Asian-American vote, like they did in the 1992 Presidential race. After all, Asians are the model minority, prosperous, business-owning, legal immigrants, often victims of Communism. If they aren't going to vote GOP, what major immigrant group will?

Arthur Hu, however, explained the basic rule of Asian-American voting to me back in 2000:

"Asian Americans traditionally vote slightly more conservatively than their neighbors do - exactly as optimistic Republicans assume. The problem for the GOP, however, is that Asians tend to have highly liberal neighbors. Currently, 45% of all Asian-born immigrants live in three heavily Democratic metropolitan areas: San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York City."

And, American-born Asians are increasingly driven by the political climate on elite campuses, with their obsession with minority victimhood.

Ben Adler of Politico.com reports "Asian-American youth trend Democratic." He begins with the example of a University of Southern California Chinese-American co-ed who is changing her registration from Republican to Independent. USC used to be the epitome of the private college for the, shall we say, "well-rounded" children of wealthy Republicans: the "University of Spoiled Children" we called it when I was at UCLA 1980-82. When the USC football team would come on the field for the big game against UCLA, we Bruin fans would all pull credit cards from the pockets of our Calvin Klein designer jeans and wave them in the air in the direction of the USC fans. Ha-ha! What a clever jibe at the wealth of the USC students! (Of course, now that I think of it, all us UCLA students back during the Carter Administration apparently already had credit cards to wave at the USC students, so maybe the class contrast wasn't quite as obvious as we had imagined at the time.)

Carmen Wong, 21, is a Chinese-American senior at the University of Southern California. Her parents are Republicans and she used to be one, too, but she recently switched her voter registration to independent.

Although Wong is fiscally conservative, she is socially liberal and has turned against the Iraq war. She would vote for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for president, and she’s not sure who she’ll support if he is not the Republican nominee. But she likes Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

Wong epitomizes a recent trend among young Asian-Americans: their widespread abandonment of the Republican Party.

The Institute of Politics at Harvard University recently released data from an online survey of 2,525 18- to 24-year-olds. Among the survey’s more notable statistics are those concerning party affiliation among Asian-Americans: 47 percent identify themselves as Democratic, 15 percent Republican and 39 percent independent — making them more Democratic than any other ethnic group except African-Americans in the survey.

Betsy Kim, 44, a Korean-American who is executive director of the American Majority Partnership, the Democratic National Committee’s constituency outreach program, sees a clear generational shift toward Democrats among Asian-Americans.

Kim said that Asian-Americans her age and younger lean Democratic because “Democrats do more to benefit communities of color.”

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45 comments:

mrs. anonymous said...

Liberal Asian-Americans get the media attention, but in my experience (and I am a Cal alumna and an SF native, so it's extensive) they are an infinitesimal, largely hapa minority, who get the media attention because they have the media contacts because they are already hooked into the minority-victim goody network. Most Asian-Americans who are politically interested are conservatives or libertarians; but the real situation is that Asian-Americans are overwhelmingly politically apathetic.

kurt9 said...

I don't think that Asian-Americans are buying into the "victimhood" complex. They tend to be apolitical.

However, they live in areas that are very liberal that always vote in liberal candidates. Asians, as is usually their nature, tend to go with the flow and be non-confrontational. Also, they like to align themselves with winners in the possibility that there a benefits (Asian countries have a lot of what is euphemistically called "money politics").

As a result, they vote for whomever they think has the winning monentum behind them, which are liberals in the liberal places that they live.

Also, the christian right stuff that has become the hallmark of republicanism in the past 15 years also turns them off.

You see, Asians are by nature socially "conservative". They do not understand why this is a political issue. They especially do not understand why you necessarly have to be a christian in order to be socially conservative and have good family values. So Asians tend to see the christian right stuff as a sort of alien white thing that has the potential to harm them. Thus, the christian right politics drives them away from the republican party.

Johnson said...

Not to mention the Republican's embrace of the Christian right.

The Asian American identity is in flux, torn between their economic interests and the general perception that the Republican party is, for all purposes, still the party of whites.

Bill said...

Asians are liberal here in the NW -- radically so in many cases, and often quite contemptuous of whites. Although they are over-represented by 500% at the UW (according to state population figures), and whites underrepresented by about a third, they denounce white privilege without a hint of irony.

It doesn't surprise me, but that's because I am familiar with the Indonesian situation of the 1960s. I get the feeling a lot of young Asian Americans haven't a clue about these things.

steve wood said...

More Asians might have stayed Republican if Republicans had stayed more Establishment. The dominance of the Christian right in the party today is not likely to lure many Asians (except those who are themselves Evangelicals).

All the reasons Steve outlines seem valid as well, but I don't think one should underestimate the degree to which the religiosity of the Republican Party these days alienates people who are not devout believers. For example, Mike Huckabee does not believe in evolution. And yet, he is a serious contender for the Republican nomination for President. People who don't believe in evolution are yahoos. Asians and other upwardly mobile types do not see yahoos as role models, nor do they see any advantage for themselves in living in a country run by yahoos.

Anonymous said...

If even the Asians are choosing spoils-system identity politics over education and hard work the republic is doomed.

A Man Who Knows said...

The Muslim outfit named "CAIR" also came out in support of the illegal Mexicans. The Blacks are being ethnically cleaned out of their LA communities and their leaders still support illegal immigration.

The reason for this obvious, non-whites have formed an alliance to displace whites. This doesn't mean that the elite whites have anything to worry about, but for the white middle class, its going to look like something out of Dr. Zhivago.

I would suggest that the white working and middle classes start forming their own alliance. This struggle is more of a class struggle, than an ethnic one.

The white elite are benefiting from our displacement and non-whites are only the tools to do so. This is contrary to Marxist theory.

Stop wasting time folks. Blacks, hispanics, muslims, asians are not the problem. EVEN THE JEWS ARE NOT TO BLAME!!!! No, this is a struggle between the white working/middle class[es] and the white elite. Maybe my Dr. Zhivago warning should be re-thought?

John S. Bolton said...

!992 should be regarded as an outlier, an anomaly unlikely ever to be repeated. The elections followed within a few months the riots in LA and NYC. Asians were targeted in LA, and to them it would have looked like a traditonal pogrom, with the black-beholden democrats seen as greenlighting the entire violent proceeding, in which dozens died, and miles of commercial streets were burned out. The republicans looked more like the protectors, sending in national guards and troops. In any other circumstance Asians tend to see democrats as their defenders. The correlation of high-IQ mercantile minorities living among hostile populations, is very high with leftism, and specifically internationalistic leftism. No republican blandishments will ever make the slightest dent in that tendency (the Khmer rouge practices didn't). Write the Asians off, they are a left constituency. Make the most out of Chinese espionage politically, the more it makes Asian advocacy groups caterwauler, the more it does for your 'Reagan democrat' percentage. JSBolton

Bill said...

You see, Asians are by nature socially "conservative". They do not understand why this is a political issue. They especially do not understand why you necessarly have to be a christian in order to be socially conservative and have good family values.

-kurt9


I take it you don't know many Koreans.

So Asians tend to see the christian right stuff as a sort of alien white thing that has the potential to harm them. Thus, the christian right politics drives them away from the republican party.

So I guess the queer/transsexual politics of San Francisco are much more in line with socially conservative Asians' values, and something they can relate to, as opposed to the Christian values of the white aliens of Idaho, right?

Mark said...

What insanity would explain why one group of people would voluntarily allow itself to be overrun and replaced by people who hate them?

displaced said...

"No, this is a struggle between the white working/middle class[es] and the white elite. "

I can see this b/c I have experienced it but that doesn't mean the various ethnic groups aren't enjoying a feeding frenzy at our expense.

Also, contrary to kurt9's assertion, Asians are very much "hooked into the minority-victim goody network". Perhaps years of passive endurance of American cultural norms has given them plenty of motivation to use AA, etc to punish a group of people they consider rude, stupid and lazy.

However, I think you should look closer at the Evangelical element in the Republican party. They vote on one issue - abortion. Without that as a rallying point, many of them would be Democrats out of a belief in providing for the less fortunate. Christians aren't the dependable voting bloc they were in the 80s.

Further, many Asians, at least the non NE variety, are Evangelicals. Maybe 45% of Asians live in liberal areas right now but from the looks of middle America that could change - with the newer group being mostly Christian converts. How this will translate into political affiliation isn't clear but I certainly wouldn't blame the religious right for alienating Asians from the Republican party.

The Man Who Knows has an interesting proposition about middle class whites forming an alliance but I'm not certain if this is even possible. We are a fragmented community. Many have already made alliances with one minority group or another by marriage or in business dealings. There are others, fanatics acting as enforcers of the PC code. I run into these jerks on a daily basis and trust me, they aren't elites.

Evil Neocon said...

Displaced -- they want to be elites. Thus the enforcer mode.

Yes many Koreans can be Evangelicals. Christianity is quite strong in parts of Korea.

As for Huck, he's roundly detested by most conservatives. Huck is more like Jimmy Carter who convinced Evangelicals he was one of them, a cultural divide. Then quickly went hard-left Liberal.

Evangelicals have central cultural issues that are likely to separate Huck from them: keeping Christianity and Christian symbols etc. from being "purged" out of the public square, some limits on bawdy public behavior, cultural traditionalism.

Huck of course being Jimmy Carter Part Deux would and has ditched that in a heartbeat.

And of course Evangelicals have hard-core economic interests (namely exclusion of cheap illegal alien labor and high taxes that result) that Huck hurts.

Pat Robertson won Iowa and then disappeared in 1988. Don't over or underestimate Huck. His rivals are all over him with plenty of dirt: sleazy donations, pardons-for-favors, Dukakis-like pardons, sordid family history (his son went all Michael Vick on dogs), soft-on-terrorism record, and more.

Huck won't do well in NH, and Fred offers a more convincing cultural alternative in SC. For those interested in Tancredo's issue, his withdrawal and endorsement of Romney is interesting.

What's kind of funny is that Yaphet Kotto (star of Homicide: Life on the Street) seems to be running for president on the "celebrity" ticket and Bloomberg/Hagel are being pushed to run as independents by Hillary hoping for the return of Ross Perot.

Yes! Just what the silly season needs. Too clueless RINOs from the NE with no clue to heartland concerns.

[I think much of Huckaboo's appeal comes from culturally embattled Evangelicals/Cultural Conservatives "looking after their own" but more info on his un-conservative cultural ways will undercut that significantly.]

Snorrebrod said...

I think you-all are missing one important point. Just as Republican religiosity repels some Asians, so does Republican "small government" talk. There's no general Asian aversion to intrusive government-- look at Japan, Korea, China, Singapore, and Vietnam. On the contrary, many Asians (especially CJK) are acculturated to the notion that intrusive government is a good idea. Asian "conservatism" is not American-style libertarianism. As for affirmative action, well, to Asians it just looks like cronyism and rent-seeking, a social convention with which they are familiar. Many Asians would rather try to get their share of the spoils than put a stop to the looting.

lithe panther said...

So much for the rantings of an unnammed blogger at a certain "science" blogsite that Asians are so very 'assimilated' to America and that whites shouldn't be concerned about mass Asian immigration (the obvious racial issues about said immigration not even being considered).

lithe panther said...

http://www.vdare.com/walker/071220_appeasement.htm

Sideways said...

Given bush x 2 + the likely next Republican candidate, a conservative would be a fool to stay a republican. Voting Republican as a protest vote still makes sense, but the party appears to be lost to Bushy Repubs for the time being.

it doesn't matter how conservative Asians are if they've realized that the Republican leadership doesn't represent conservatism.

"Better than nothing" is not the most inspiring battle cry ever.

Reader said...

When the USC football team would come on the field for the big game against UCLA, we Bruin fans would all pull credit cards from the pockets of our Calvin Klein designer jeans and wave them in the air in the direction of the USC fans. Ha-ha! What a clever jibe at the wealth of the USC students! (Of course, now that I think of it, all us UCLA students back during the Carter Administration apparently already had credit cards to wave at the USC students, so maybe the class contrast wasn't quite as obvious as we had imagined at the time.)


We jingled keys at the Trojans when I was at UCLA a few years ago - not sure what the point of that one was either, considering how hard it is to find parking in Westwood...

Anonymous said...

As you keep pointing so intelligently, the GOP are too stupid to see these issues. Their analyses just lack any intelligence.

Anonymous said...

So what is the point of your post?

Suppose Asians in America began voting in massive numbers for the Republican party. Would this be a great benefit to Euro-Americans?

Bigger question and issues:How do Steve Sailer and Peter Brimelow feel about the fact that the California State University system is now 40 percent Asian.

Would Steve Sailer and Peter Brimelow prefer a California State University system that is largely Euro-American like it was before the passage of the 1965 immigration refrom act?

Where do Steve Sailer and Peter Brimelow stand on the issue of Legal Asian immigration? Are you both for shutting it down,maintaining current levels or increasing it?

Do Steve Sailer and Peter Brimelow see Legal Asian immigrants and their children as being interchangeable with Euro-Americans in California?

A. Hitler said...

Living in LA/SF and knowing several young AA, I can say the following:

1) AA's compared to Jews are apolitical. They're more interested in their families and money than politics.

2) Their is no reason for them to be Republican. The Democrats are the winning team in Calf and have the power the money. AA's want a piece of the action, so they join the Democrats

3)The Democrats are sincerely in favor of open borders, hate laws, and a racial spoils system. The Republicans try to ape the Democrats but can NEVER compete.

4) Their really no REAL difference in terms of taxes/Govt Spending between the Democrats and Republicans. If AA's felt the Democrats were truly going to hurt them - big time - in the pocketbook they might consider changing, but that day is way in the future.

5) The Abortion/God stuff doesn't so much turn AA's off, as not attract them. They just don't care about it. Neither Jewish social liberalism nor Christian conservatism has any appeal for them. So kicking the Religious right out of the R party (it doesn't exist in Calf anyway) won't gain any votes.

Concerned Netizen said...

Steve: there you go again. Anyone who disagrees with you is a whining victim. Did it ever occur to you that you are the whiner?

Maybe young Asians don’t want to vote Republican because the Republicans suck. They suck economically, having run the country into a deficit and ruined faith in the US Treasury. They suck on war, having involved the US in a strategic disaster in the Mideast. And finally, they suck on separation of religion & state, endorsing candidates that support the establishment of Christianity as a state religion, which is against what the Founding Fathers intended. And finally, the Republicans suck socially, being basically a middle-aged white man's party, with no room for anyone else at the head of the table.

Until you admit how repulsive your party is, you’ll never get over your victimhood.

Anonymous said...

Betsy Kim, what is it that you want? More legal asians of course.Why should Euro-Americans be in favor of this.

Asians in America are politically organized around their racial interests. The bedrock of their politics is this:maximize the number of Asians in America. This of course is incompatible with the legitimate racial interests of Euro-Americans.

America is not an idea nation.

Anonymous said...

Why would Chinese-Americans want to support the side that coined the term "Sinofascism"?

L said...

Steve:

Before you go blaming this on Asians trending away from Whites, it would be worth tracking this generation of Asians against their gen-Y peers. My hypothesis is that is what correlates the best; I'm also going to guess that they are less likely than NAMs to trend in this direction.

“Democrats do more to benefit communities of color.”

Please. No one wants to admit to being a Republican these days. This Asian-Am will, but he's a diehard.

Johnson said...

If you check out the heavily pro Asian fallout central podcast, their opinions often have a very heavy anti-white sentiment, while they virtually ignore the tensions between Asians and other minority groups.

James said...

The perception of Asian-Americans as mostly politically apathetic is true in my experience (recent UC Berkeley alum, and an Asian one at that). We tended to be more pragmatic about what effect we can have on the world than our white classmates, and concerned ourselves with things we had some control over.

The Asians who were interested in politics were uniformly liberal (although usually opposed to AA and illegal immigration). Although we don't do much to act on it, there is some distrust and resentment towards white people among Asian-Ams that can't be erased, cause, well... you guys seem to be at the top of the food chain no matter how hard we work, and that's annoying.

This doesn't get in the way of personal friendships but it does make the white identity politics practiced by the Republicans seem scary and repugnant to us. It's easy to see that many Republicans think America would be better off without any racial minorities, smart and hard-working ones included. Asian-Americans might be skeptical of liberal policies, but at least voting Democrat doesn't feel like a betrayal of your own identity.

Anonymous said...

There seems to be a lot of misinformation about East Asians about, particularly the Chinese, but also others.

The Filipinos and Filipinas I have met tend to be Catholic.

I also note that there are many Christians amongst the Koreans here, some of them being Baptist.

I also note that there are many Christians among the Chinese that I know, especially those from Taiwan, but I don't know the affiliation.

ricerocket said...

Chinese spies one wonders if the 'contractor' that allowed this breach employed recent immigrants.

TGGP said...

Kim said that Asian-Americans her age and younger lean Democratic because “Democrats do more to benefit communities of color.”
Asians aren't considered to be "of color" by the political class. What have Democrats done for them?

Anonymous said...

It should be noted that as far as the Chinese go, attending church is mostly for social purposes and connecting with other Chinese in the area they are located in.

Anonymous said...

"If even the Asians are choosing spoils-system identity politics over education and hard work the republic is doomed."

It's not an either/or choice.

Proofreader said...

James.
This doesn't get in the way of personal friendships but it does make the white identity politics practiced by the Republicans seem scary and repugnant to us.

I´ve yet to see a single republican practice White identity politics. Even Buchanan is deep-down a "citizenist"

It's easy to see that many Republicans think America would be better off without any racial minorities, smart and hard-working ones included.

I don´t find it easy to see. Can you provide actual examples with names, James?

steve wood said...

Although we don't do much to act on it, there is some distrust and resentment towards white people among Asian-Ams that can't be erased, cause, well... you guys seem to be at the top of the food chain no matter how hard we work, and that's annoying.

I just don't get this. What do you expect? You've been here a couple of generations at most. The whites "at the top of the food chain" have been here 100 years or more. It takes time to, collectively, work your way up.

I know there was active, often brutal, anti-Asian prejudice in the past. This is especially true in the West*, where so many Asians live, so I understand why you might have a lingering resentment of that. (Although if you know Asian history, then you know that American brutality is nothing compared to what the Chinese and Japanese have done in the not-so-distant past.)

But resenting whites because they have achieved more? Give yourselves some time, for heavens' sake!

*And much less true in the East. I grew up in the DC area in the 60s and 70s and can truthfully say that I never heard a single word of anti-Asian prejudice anywhere, and it's not like there weren't any Asians around. There were certainly stereotypes that today would be considered offensive, but actual, visceral bigotry? None at all that I ever heard.

Bill said...

And much less true in the East. I grew up in the DC area in the 60s and 70s and can truthfully say that I never heard a single word of anti-Asian prejudice anywhere, and it's not like there weren't any Asians around. There were certainly stereotypes that today would be considered offensive, but actual, visceral bigotry? None at all that I ever heard.

-Steve Wood


Yes, regional differences did matter. My Western grandpa never trusted Asians, and hated Japanese. He blamed them for the death of his favorite little brother, a soldier who died in the Philippines in WWII. Most Western WWII vets fought in the Pacific, many died, and there was a real fear and hatred of the Japanese over here.

So when I went to Long Island to visit the other side of the family as a 12yo kid, and my cousin called one of her female rivals a "jap", I assumed she meant Japanese. She corrected me, saying it meant "Jewish American Princess." It was the first time I ever heard anything remotely anti-Semitic.

But there's no reason for white people to apologize for this, because Asians are more hostile toward whites in their own countries than whites are to them here. I can remember that some old Chinese men in Peking, especially working-class Korean War vets (almost all Chinese soldiers are working-class or peasants -- elites don't fight), obviously viewed me as an enemy to be killed. But when I'd speak some Chinese to them and treat them with respect they usually warmed up pretty quickly. The funny thing is they kind of reminded me of my "bigoted" grandpa, so I actually liked them.

Zimri said...

James writes: It's easy to see that many Republicans think America would be better off without any racial minorities, smart and hard-working ones included. And then the misnamed "proofreader" commenter challenged this - ignorantly.

Sailer and his commenters have spent many a pixel upon Putnam's theory that social capital in community X will erode when minorities are introduced into X. It follows that minorities (even overachieving minorities, like Armenians) weaken social cohesion. Conservatives believe in social cohesion. Conservatives, when they vote, vote Republican. Ergo, if one defines a Republican voter as a "Republican", "many Republican [voters] think America would be better off without any racial minorities". This statement is hardly a controversial one on Steve Sailer's blog for chrissakes.

It is elsewhere reported here that Asians feel contempt for whites. I suspect that Asians feel that they can get away with it - they know that they can't get away with telling what they think about the Hispanics and mixed-race people they deal with in a Cali rush hour. I will go further on that limb and suggest that ranting against whites is transferrance about what they would like to say about those other population subgroups. Imagine a Vietnamese computer programmer choosing whether to enroll his kid in a school that is 80% Mexican versus 80% German / Irish. LOL!

re lithe panther, though: "So much for the rantings ...that whites shouldn't be concerned about mass Asian immigration". I expect that mass Asian immigration would turn whites into a lower-middle-class in their own land, as the Ashkenazi Jewish exit from the ghetto and German immigration did to the local Slavs of Eastern Europe 1800-1900 AD. This would have its good points and its bad points. The Slavs' material comforts improved immensely in that century. I will allow that Slavic social capital also deteriorated because they resented the Jews and Germans. Overall, though, it's better to live as second-class citizens in a Rhodesia than as first-class citizens in a Zimbabwe. If low-IQ whites can't see that then, well... Asians have their reasons to be contemptuous.

white boy gringo goy said...

Please pay attention.

Asian Americans, both Asian-Pacific (Chinese, Korean, Japanese)and subcontinent Asian Americans (India, Pakistan, Bangledesh) are the largest recipients of ethnic/racial preferences ('Affirmative Action') in the United States. Discussion of preferences is often focused on college admissions, but those are really insignificant in economic effect compared to the Federal, State, and Local contract ethnic spoils system. Government spending may be 30-40 % percent of the economy. It is the way that people get rich nowadays, and it is still boom time for contracts. Asian Americans qualify for virtually every contracts preference, set aside and quota, and they are using them in huge amounts with no end in sight. This includes recent immigrants who are citizens (remember the minimum residency for citizenship is 5 years). For state and local preferences, non-citizens qualify as well.

This topic is almost never discussed anywhere, but it is a huge issue and may become a huge political issue in the near future.

Anonymous said...

I think we need to diffrentiate South Asians from SE and NE Asians. In my experience, those of Indian descent show quite a strong interest in politics.

Anonymous said...

I am going to start dating as many Asian girls as I can--just to piss off those idiots!:) -Josh

Johnson said...

Well, anon, South Asians actually, genetically, have more in common with caucasians than East Asians. So you should differentiate.

Anonymous said...

I live in the metropolitan area of Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. There are large numbers of Asians here, particulary Chinese and Indians. The majority of both groups have arrived since the 1970s, but there are also significant numbers whose families have been here for three generations.

There is no Republican Party here. Evangelical Christians play very little role in politics. Nonetheless, Asians (both Chinese and Indian) vote strongly for the left-wing New Democratic Party in provincial elections, and for the center-left Liberal Party in federal elections. Provincial politics is a two-party operation consisting of the New Democrats on the left and whatever coalition is currently opposing them on the right. The British Columbia provincial government is usually controlled by the right, but the New Democrats ruled from 1991 to 2001 and 1972-75. Surveys of Asian voting preferences have shown that the longer an Asian family has lived in B.C., the more likely they are to vote New Democrat; about 65% of second-generation Chinese favored the NDP in a poll I saw during the 1990s. More recent Chinese immigrants were less attracted to the NDP; it was hypothesized that many people from Hong Kong didn't like the overtly anti-business New Democrats.

In federal politics, the tilt toward the federal Liberals is even more pronounced. English-Canadian federal politics is a three-way race between the Conservative Party (pro-business, pro-American, anti-crime, somewhat socially conservative), the Liberal Party (center-left, multiculturalist, fanatically in favor of wide-open immigration, anti-American, idealizing of the European welfare state), and the federal New Democratic Party (left-wing, union-dominated, anti-American). In these elections, the Liberal Party is overwhelmingly the choice of all varieties of Asian, as it is also the choice of most recent immigrants to Canada. The present Conservative federal government has virtually no members elected from immigrant-heavy urban areas in Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal.

Are there conservative Asian-Canadians? Definitely, and in fact there are quite a few of them. Unfortunately, in elections they are clearly outnumbered. Since this post is getting long, I'll quickly summarize what I think can be learned from this "control group" to the Asian-Americans Steve observes in California:

1. Keeping immigration wide-open is the #1 political issue for Asian-Canadians.

2. Shrinking the government has little appeal for most Asian-Canadians.

3. Overt Christian religiosity plays no role whatsoever in B.C. provincial politics, and so has nothing to do with driving voters to the New Democrats.

4. The federal Conservative Party does appeal to Christians, but in a low-key and subtle way; similarly, the federal Liberals are much more restrained about bashing religion than the U.S. Democrats are. Religion is not a factor in Asian-Canadian support of the federal Liberals.

5. Many Asians appear to believe that politicians are always and everywhere corrupt. The exposures of Liberal corruption that have scandalized many Canadians don't seem to bother Asian-Canadian voters.

6. There is no large-scale legally-enforced racial spoils system in Canada. There is ethnic patronage (and it's a Liberal specialty) but there is no system of set-aside contracts, no EEOC, and no systematic persecution of businesses that aren't "diverse".

Mark said...

Although we don't do much to act on it, there is some distrust and resentment towards white people among Asian-Ams that can't be erased, cause, well... you guys seem to be at the top of the food chain no matter how hard we work, and that's annoying.

So the way to get Asians to vote Republican is to hand over the keys to the country to them? Sorry, no deal.

I'm more than happy when Asians like Bobby Jindal get elected as Republicans. But I'm not going to purposely dispossess myself of political power just to get a few measly extra votes.

My guess is that the white guys who have put the GOP back in the minority, and who have disappointed the conservative base, are the same ones who turn off Asian voters, even if not for the same reasons.

And opening our borders to unrestricted immigration from Asia in order to win some Asian voters is a big "no deal" either. Asians need to accept conservatism on its own tuerms, because to do less would undermine the whole point of conservatism: (genuine) equal rights, minimal government, basic faily values, individual initiative, and all the rest.

This doesn't get in the way of personal friendships but it does make the white identity politics practiced by the Republicans seem scary and repugnant to us.

Well the same in reverse. I've lost a few of my Asian friends to the identity politics racket. And tell me what the hell is "white identity politics" in this country, anyway? It hardly exists, and only gets stronger in response to everyone else's identity politics.

It should be noted that as far as the Chinese go, attending church is mostly for social purposes and connecting with other Chinese in the area they are located in.

Blacks can have their churches, Koreans can have their churches, the Chinese can have their churches, Indians can have their temples, Jews can have their synagogues, and even Greeks nominally have a lock on their own denomination (the G.O. Churches in my city are almost entirely Greek). Where are the WASP churches anymore? Or the Scottish ones? The Episcopalian and Presbyterian denominations long ago passed into general public property. If we're going to live in an ethnically divided state, we're gunna be needing these back.

Overall, though, it's better to live as second-class citizens in a Rhodesia than as first-class citizens in a Zimbabwe. If low-IQ whites can't see that then, well... Asians have their reasons to be contemptuous.

Ummm, WTF? Are you implying a glorious Asian-run American future is Rhodesia to our current Zimbabwe? Are you high? Modern Asia is still Zimbabwe to Europe's Rhodesia. I have no doubt that Asian's are smart in some senses, but that intelligence does not seem to extend into the political sector of life.

Lucius Vorenus said...

Anonymous: Why would Chinese-Americans want to support the side that coined the term "Sinofascism"?

I assume that you are aware that the man who coined the term "Sino-Fascism" is married to a Chinese girl and has made two children with her?

[I sincerely wish - frankly pray - that he would make even more children with her, but I fear that she might be approaching menopause.]

Lucius Vorenus said...

I wish I had something insightful to say in this conversation.

At least superficially, the fact that we seem to be losing the younger Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and South Vietnamese kids to The Left is a terrible tragedy.

But I suspect that eventually, by and large, the "Asian" vote will break down the same way that the rest of the American vote divides itself: Atheists will vote Democrat, and Christians will vote GOP.

BTW, some of you might be interested in these items:

Jesus in Beijing: How Christianity Is Changing the Global Balance of Power
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0895261286/

Christianity finds a fulcrum in Asia
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html

On the other hand, when I think of High-IQ Asian kids being seduced by the power of The Left, I'm reminded of an old observation by none other than Mr. Sino-Fascism himself: American society is increasingly a conspiracy of the smart against the dumb.

lithe censored panther said...

Sailer censored my reply - a reply which wasn't much different than some of Solzenhitsyn's points. If Sailer is going to adopt the cowardly GNXP commenting rules, then there is no reason for me to post here anymore.

I'm wondering though Steve if you'd care to explain what was so offensive about my comment?

ben tillman said...

The reason for this obvious, non-whites have formed an alliance to displace whites. This doesn't mean that the elite whites have anything to worry about....

That can't be right. The only value of a white elite to non-whites is the maintenance of an illusion of white power. Obviously, if there are no non-elite whites, there is no need for any whites at all in the ruling alliance. At that point, ironically, the only chance of survival for the white elite would be straightforward racial consciousness and ethnic nepotism.

I would suggest that the white working and middle classes start forming their own alliance. This struggle is more of a class struggle, than an ethnic one.

No, it is an ethnic struggle in which a crucial tactic is the disunification of the white population through the creation and cultivation of class conflict. When Marx said "all of history is the history of class conflict", he meant the entire history of his sort of revolution.

The white elite are benefiting from our displacement and non-whites are only the tools to do so.

That is impossible. If the elite is truly white, they cannot benefit from the displacement of another portion of the white population, because they and the other portion of the white population would be part of the same "us" and would be constituted of the same genes.